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So nobody's gonna answer that question huh?

Obviously im saving the kid. Id even gun down the doors lock if I had to and thats a reach for me as id have to use someone else's gun.
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May 4 2022 12:04pm
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correct. every single country that didn't make the list spends nothing on early childhood care. not a single dollar. meaning the US is actually incredibly generous, 16th best in the world in fact, which isn't even that bad, and certainly illustrates how much they care about children.

that's exactly how such info-graphics work. those lists are always exhaustive. it's not that the likes of canada and switzerland aren't on the list because of different funding streams or reporting practices, which would make it difficult to get accurate numbers, but simply because they hate children.


Ah yes. Manufacture an impossible scenario and then blame people for not following it. Genius!
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May 4 2022 12:31pm
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Ah yes. Manufacture an impossible scenario and then blame people for not following it. Genius!


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May 4 2022 12:37pm
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hard whoooosh


I don't know about you, but when I stumble into a smoke filled room filled with screaming children, I'm gonna stop to read the labels on the... test tubes I guess... and I'm gonna know the future results of making only choice A or choice B, and that it's impossible to do both, or whatever else comes into that author's fantasy.

FOH with your "hard whoosh."
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May 4 2022 12:40pm
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correct. every single country that didn't make the list spends nothing on early childhood care. not a single dollar. meaning the US is actually incredibly generous, 16th best in the world in fact, which isn't even that bad, and certainly illustrates how much they care about children.

that's exactly how such info-graphics work. those lists are always exhaustive. it's not that the likes of canada and switzerland aren't on the list because of different funding streams or reporting practices, which would make it difficult to get accurate numbers, but simply because they hate children.


I mean, there's obviously a correct answer to this because embryos aren't equivalent to a child. No one serious has ever argued that.

Obviously the right calls fetuses babies to evoke an emotional response. The left calls a 5 month old fetus "a clump of cells" in order to remove any value that the fetus has. Once you admit that embryos, fetuses, etc. have ANY value, you open the door to abortion restrictions which the left doesn't want to do.

The question has, and always will be, how much value does an embryo/fetus have and does their right to life trump the right of bodily autonomy? There are many schools of thought and I imagine everyone has their own line both at an individual level and at a societal level.

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I don't know about you, but when I stumble into a smoke filled room filled with screaming children, I'm gonna stop to read the labels on the... test tubes I guess... and I'm gonna know the future results of making only choice A or choice B, and that it's impossible to do both, or whatever else comes into that author's fantasy.

FOH with your "hard whoosh."


doubling down on missing the whole point i see. it's not supposed to be a 'realistic, everyday scenario', it's supposed to illustrate a point about anti-choicer's disingenuous appeals to emotion with their shitty "murdering babies" narrative...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/steve-chapman/ct-perspec-chapman-abortion-murder-williamson-homicide-0429-20180427-story.html
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I mean, there's obviously a correct answer to this because embryos aren't equivalent to a child. No one serious has ever argued that.

Obviously the right calls fetuses babies to evoke an emotional response. The left calls a 5 month old fetus "a clump of cells" in order to remove any value that the fetus has. Once you admit that embryos, fetuses, etc. have ANY value, you open the door to abortion restrictions which is the left doesn't want to do.

The question has, and always will be, how much value does an embryo/fetus have and does their right to life trump the right of bodily autonomy? There are many schools of thought and I imagine everyone has their own line both at an individual level and at a societal level.


you're still acting like conservatives are coming from a place of compassion. why do they then oppose measures that would ACTUALLY prevent abortions? why do they oppose social safety nets that would take financial pressure off young mothers? context matters. predictable outcomes matter. you personally might think you're morally good, and that that alone entitles you to determine how other people live their lives (quite the contradiction in MY opinion btw), but even if we simply disagree on what we "value" how much (just ignore the fact that i repeatedly stated how i'm not a fan of abortions, and strongly support measures to decrease the need for them) - what we BOTH know for a FACT is that conservatives' push against abortion will NOT prevent them. it will only make them less safe - and it will disproportionally devastate poor and minority women. all so you can act all high and mighty of how much you value fetuses over women's rights...

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