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Feb 18 2022 04:45pm
We're desperate for a war. Biden polls are garbage, fed hiking rates tanking the stock market, slowing the economy. Biden just asked for the biggest defense spending bill ever (making Trumps ask look like child's play).

We've been telegraphing Russia is coming tomorrow at 1am for like 2 months now. Probably got sick of waiting and started poking the Ukrainians to move onto the eastern pro Russian regions to force a Russian response. Then we will look like we were right all along with all of those fake news headlines from Bloomberg or 1am invasion confirmed.

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Feb 18 2022 04:47pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 18 2022 02:18pm)
You mean the guy who was arrested on trumped up charges invented by the corrupt FBI that were caught setting up an entrapment scheme to hurt Trump's presidency? And who Trump had to pardon because some hack activist judge refused to drop the charges even after the FBI was exposed as committing multiple felonies to accuse him, destroying their own case against him?

LOL - not exactly a great example to use, buddy.


Q

wow you defend the traitor Qanon nut job just like Putin
not surprising.
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Feb 18 2022 04:52pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Feb 18 2022 03:47pm)
Q

wow you defend the traitor Qanon nut job just like Putin
not surprising.



Who’s Q? The boogeyman of the left? The only time I ever see anything is when you post.
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Feb 18 2022 04:55pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 18 2022 05:16pm)
I didn't ignore anything. Check the last post on page 28 for a response to your ridiculous claim about Ukraine's supposed economic prosperity in comparison to Russia. Hahaha, hilarious that you'd really believe it, honestly.

Ukraine isn't attacking Russia directly. They are attacking the DPR and LPR republics representing the breakaway region of Eastern Ukraine, where the people there did not accept the coup that took place in Kiev and established their own self-rule. This region is defended only by a volunteer militia comprised primarily of local volunteer fighters and some volunteers from abroad that took a stance against fascism. These forces are insufficient to invade Ukraine proper and although stand a solid chance of self-defense, may not be able to hold the line if Ukraine launches a full-scale attack assisted by US and NATO military advisors, using all the weapons that have been provided to them by the US and NATO in recent months.

However, they do so knowing that it might force Russia to get involved - which is what Biden wants and needs to justify a massive sanctions package and get rid of Nordstream 2, which they consider a "threat" to US hegemony over Europe. This is why it's a suicidal move - Russia is unlikely to tolerate continued aggression, which they now openly call genocide, against ethnic Russian and Russian speaking civilians that inhabit Donetsk and Luhansk, as well as the surrounding countryside and villages.

At any rate, it's clear that once Ukraine's offensive begins, you fully intend to completely ignore it. And then when Russia responds to Ukraine's aggression, I've no doubt you will join the chorus of ignorant and uninformed voices shedding their crocodile tears about how horrible and evil and aggressive Russia is towards the poor Ukrainian people, even though, just like 2008 in Georgia, they are the ones initiating said aggression and they are clearly the ones throwing the first punch by attacking Donbass.


I did not say that Ukraine is presently wealthier than Russia. What I did say is that Ukrainian development lies in the West. I see, Ukrainians see it. They look at Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania and they want what those countries have. Can you imagine being a Pole and wanting to be under Russia's thumb? Of course not, the Polish model is far superior.

Biden is not orchestrating Ukrainian policy because he doesn't have anything to offer them worthwhile in exchange for their lives. Ukraine understands that open conflict with the DPR/LPR, regardless of who starts it, means war with Russia, which makes almost every decision of note in the two republics. Biden has said emphatically that he is not going to intervene military in Ukraine. Why on earth would Ukrainian politicians, officers, and soldiers commit (literal) suicide on behalf of a power thousands of miles away that refuses to over them direct military support?

By the way, I am still waiting for the below.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 18 2022 03:27pm)
1. Provide me with any "reasonable source".



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Feb 18 2022 05:00pm
Quote (Landmine @ Feb 18 2022 02:52pm)
Who’s Q? The boogeyman of the left? The only time I ever see anything is when you post.


well unfortunately like some 30 mill conservatives believe in some part or all of it.. So your party should get its head examined.. Somehow pointing it out is the problem..
LOL you have 2 R congress people that believe follow it. Along with mentioned Mike Flynn.
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Feb 18 2022 05:08pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Feb 18 2022 03:47pm)
Q

wow you defend the traitor Qanon nut job just like Putin
not surprising.


Honestly, I'm not in the least bit surprised that you would not only ignore the FBI's blatant corruption, and their text messages that exposed them deliberately entrapping Flynn, but then also bring up Qanon for absolutely no reason.

Q has literally nothing to do with it, LOL.

Is that the best you can offer in defense of your own hypocrisy? Just bring up Q every time you are called out?
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Feb 18 2022 05:09pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 18 Feb 2022 23:45)
We're desperate for a war. Biden polls are garbage, fed hiking rates tanking the stock market, slowing the economy. Biden just asked for the biggest defense spending bill ever (making Trumps ask look like child's play).

We've been telegraphing Russia is coming tomorrow at 1am for like 2 months now. Probably got sick of waiting and started poking the Ukrainians to move onto the eastern pro Russian regions to force a Russian response. Then we will look like we were right all along with all of those fake news headlines from Bloomberg or 1am invasion confirmed.


fuck the biden administration indeed, corporate dems are cancer, puppets of the military industrial complex. biden has a loooong history of obediently serving his corporate masters.

that does, however, not mean you have to turn into a braindead sucker for russian propaganda. the russian military aggression is real. ffs, they are currently occupying important parts of the ukraine, which they invaded 2014. and they are clearly threatening to go for more.

a sane person should be able to realise this (like almost everything in life) is not a "i have to support either A or B" situation. both america and russia are warmongering shitholes, dont let your biden derangement syndrome turn you into a putin bootlicker though.
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Feb 18 2022 05:12pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 18 2022 03:08pm)
Honestly, I'm not in the least bit surprised that you would not only ignore the FBI's blatant corruption, and their text messages that exposed them deliberately entrapping Flynn, but then also bring up Qanon for absolutely no reason.

Q has literally nothing to do with it, LOL.

Is that the best you can offer in defense of your own hypocrisy? Just bring up Q every time you are called out?


he clearly is a great guy.. Him and his family quoting the Q slogan to grift voters.
Sorry you think he's a great patriot.
LMAO
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/michael-flynn-qanon-video/index.html
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Feb 18 2022 05:15pm
Quote (Skinned @ Feb 18 2022 03:35pm)
How can Ukraine attack themselves? Sounds like standard military drills to me.

Imagine thinking that the Ukrainians are going to attack Russia. Ukraine will not attack a single Russian on Russian soil. Any Russian on Ukrainian soil can just go home.

Other than that I personally have been massively gaslighted and lied to about every war America wanted to be involved in so I don't believe anything I see about Ukraine right now.


Come on man. I put all this effort into these posts and you just skip over them, not even realizing your points have already been addressed.

For the tenth time: Ukraine isn't dumb enough to attack Russia directly. What they are doing instead is attacking DPR and LPR, which was formerly once the Eastern part of Ukraine. Now it is a self-ruled breakaway republic.

Fact on the ground is that Ukraine has stepped up shelling on the break-away republic to such a degree that it appears to be a prelude to a ground offensive. Heavy shelling is always something an army carries out before an offensive operation in any modern warfare. It softens up the defenses and demoralizes troops taking the shelling as some of them are killed/wounded before the offensive operation begins.

I thank you for your skepticism regarding Ukraine. It's always good to be skeptical. Personally I am obsessed with geopolitics and can't help but to follow every single development, hence why I post them here. It makes me feel a little better, even though I know I can't do anything about it directly.

I really, really wish I could, though.

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Feb 18 2022 05:15pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 18 2022 06:09pm)
fuck the biden administration indeed, corporate dems are cancer, puppets of the military industrial complex. biden has a loooong history of obediently serving his corporate masters.

that does, however, not mean you have to turn into a braindead sucker for russian propaganda. the russian military aggression is real. ffs, they are currently occupying important parts of the ukraine, which they invaded 2014. and they are clearly threatening to go for more.

a sane person should be able to realise this (like almost everything in life) is not a "i have to support either A or B" situation. both america and russia are warmongering shitholes, dont let your biden derangement syndrome turn you into a putin bootlicker though.


Russia has very little to nothing to gain from an all out war on Ukraine. In contrast they have a ton to lose if war breaks out. Between the sanctions, pipeline getting killed, costly both money & lives war, what are they gaining?. Can provide some coherent argument what's to gain for them here?

Ukraine is a vast territory, with a population of 43 million people, it would be next impossible for Russia to hold an occupation force covering the country and would literally bankrupt them with time.

But congrats at least you and republicans finally agree on something.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Feb 18 2022 05:17pm
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