d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Kyle Rittenhouse Trial
Prev12829303132424Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 36,670
Joined: Feb 19 2021
Gold: 31,677.46
Nov 3 2021 11:50am
Quote (Crunkt @ Nov 3 2021 12:38pm)
The only violence that happened the entire night was a stupid Hog White faggot kid Murdering 2 people, under the guise of 'protecting property'


It was a peaceful protect otherwise.


I's so glad no ones taking your bait.
Well done jsp
Member
Posts: 92,990
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Nov 3 2021 11:51am
Quote (Crye @ Nov 3 2021 12:37pm)
I feel like this part isn't true and to a certain degree is sort of oxymoronic, intention to commit violence would at least to some extent imply that you're the one who initiated the conflict while self defense implies the opposite, no?

I don't know what someone would have to do (other than initiate violence), let alone simply think for me to say that if someone, for instance, pulls a gun on you that you are not allowed to defend yourself at all because you've "lost your right to self defense" That concept seems very strange to me. Am I wrong in my path of logic there?


having an open carry firearm is an escalation of violence, this is basic firearm safety training.
Member
Posts: 36,670
Joined: Feb 19 2021
Gold: 31,677.46
Nov 3 2021 11:55am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 3 2021 12:51pm)
having an open carry firearm is an escalation of violence, this is basic firearm safety training.


Got any data to back that up.
I live in a permit less open carry state, I go to the gas station and see guns every day.
I'm not seeing any violence.

On top of that we're in the bottom 5 of gun crimes in all states.

This post was edited by lolkggz on Nov 3 2021 11:55am
Member
Posts: 22,265
Joined: Aug 17 2021
Gold: 1,546.83
Warn: 30%
Nov 3 2021 11:55am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 3 2021 10:50am)


Now imagine you know there's going to be a protest, and it's likely *somebody* will throw a brick. You bring guns, stand where you think a brick will be thrown, and when the brick is thrown you return fire. Do you get to claim self defense? No. You went out of your way to put yourself in danger. You knew there was a likelyhood of violence and went out of your way to put yourself in a position where you could claim self defense.



How do you know this is what Kyle was thinking though? How do you know he knowingly put himself in danger so he could open fire and claim self defense?

Also, are "protests" in your country really that bad? What you just described (people throwing bricks and all that) sounds like mob violence and street fighting. Almost like a riot.
Member
Posts: 5,385
Joined: Aug 19 2007
Gold: 15,053.50
Nov 3 2021 11:55am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 3 2021 01:51pm)
having an open carry firearm is an escalation of violence, this is basic firearm safety training.


While I personally disagree with open carrying in most circumstances mainly as I believe it makes you a target, and I guess because it makes people uncomfortable in general and just isn't worth it, it absolutely is not "basic firearm safety training" that open carry is an escalation of violence. Where are you pulling that from? What formal firearms training do you have where this is taught as a basic fact as apposed to an opinion that will net you different answers from different people in the firearms community?
Member
Posts: 36,670
Joined: Feb 19 2021
Gold: 31,677.46
Nov 3 2021 11:56am
Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 3 2021 12:55pm)
How do you know this is what Kyle was thinking though? How do you know he knowingly put himself in danger so he could open fire and claim self defense?

Also, are "protests" in your country really that bad? What you just described (people throwing bricks and all that) sounds like mob violence and street fighting. Almost like a riot.


It's all he has left of his argument is pretending to know what his intentions were.
Let him be so he can type things.
Member
Posts: 22,265
Joined: Aug 17 2021
Gold: 1,546.83
Warn: 30%
Nov 3 2021 11:57am
Quote (lolkggz @ Nov 3 2021 10:55am)
Got any data to back that up.
I live in a permit less open carry state, I go to the gas station and see guns every day.
I'm not seeing any violence.

On top of that we're in the bottom 5 of gun crimes in all states.


Don't mind him. He has only seen a gun on a police officer. If you put down a gun in front of him, even if it's unloaded, he passes out.
Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Nov 3 2021 11:57am
Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 3 2021 12:55pm)
How do you know this is what Kyle was thinking though? How do you know he knowingly put himself in danger so he could open fire and claim self defense?

Also, are "protests" in your country really that bad? What you just described (people throwing bricks and all that) sounds like mob violence and street fighting. Almost like a riot.


We don't know. The jury will have to make a decision based on the evidence presented. If they think his actions and evidence point to this as his mental state then he will be convicted.

Inferring mental state is routine for juries. It's a factor in almost every trial both civil and criminal.


Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 3 2021 12:57pm)
Don't mind him. He has only seen a gun on a police officer. If you put down a gun in front of him, even if it's unloaded, he passes out.


Snipa loves guns. At least try to not be dumb

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 3 2021 11:58am
Member
Posts: 36,670
Joined: Feb 19 2021
Gold: 31,677.46
Nov 3 2021 11:58am
Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 3 2021 12:57pm)
Don't mind him. He has only seen a gun on a police officer. If you put down a gun in front of him, even if it's unloaded, he passes out.


Makes sense.
Member
Posts: 92,990
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Nov 3 2021 11:59am
Quote (lolkggz @ Nov 3 2021 12:55pm)
Got any data to back that up.
I live in a permit less open carry state, I go to the gas station and see guns every day.
I'm not seeing any violence.

On top of that we're in the bottom 5 of gun crimes in all states.


if there isn't a gun in a room, and there is a gun in a room, which room has a higher chance for a violent death to occur without factoring in humans?

guns aren't costume pieces, any time you carry one you have to be ready to use it, and in this case to kill another human being.

i'm well aware of open carry versus concealed carry differences in violent crime, i'm speaking to how people are trained to carry firearms and what to expect other people to think about it. comparing a state like Vermont to Texas isnt helpful because the reactions to guns generally are so different.

if a fist fight is happening and i walk into break it up with my gun in hand instead of unarmed the gun scenario is more of an escalation of violence, even if it is far more likely to deescalate the fight without me eating a punch.

Quote (Crye @ Nov 3 2021 12:55pm)
While I personally disagree with open carrying in most circumstances mainly as I believe it makes you a target, and I guess because it makes people uncomfortable in general and just isn't worth it, it absolutely is not "basic firearm safety training" that open carry is an escalation of violence. Where are you pulling that from? What formal firearms training do you have where this is taught as a basic fact as apposed to an opinion that will net you different answers from different people in the firearms community?


my family owns a gun store ive worked in and am a part owner in, i teach hunter's safety course, have been a lifelong NRA member, own more guns than anyone should, and can hit a clay pidgeon with an open sight 22 at 150 yards after a sixer of milwaukees best ice.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 3 2021 12:00pm
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev12829303132424Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll