The Right: Obviously people have the right to be secure in their homes. That is unless they're on the left. Then the government can break in and shoot them and we'll cheer.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 4 2020 12:25pm

What a ridiculous spin. The dude was under acute suspsicion of having committed a murder, so the marshals had every right to approach his house and arrest him. When he resists this legit arrest attempt by opening fire on feds, he has no one but himself to blame for getting shot.

no you're secure in your home if there isnt a warrant for your arrest.

this fuckface isn't Breonna Taylor

The real question is if they identified themselves. If he had no reason to assume he was being arrested then he has every right to defend himself. If police get the benefit of the doubt on someone reaching for their wallet and thinking they were reaching for a gun then this guy certainly gets the benefit of the doubt for people breaking into his house

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 4 2020 01:11pm

When the cops show up in unmarked vans wearing khakis and polos (the uniform of the white supremacist groups), you don't get to make this claim. If the cops showed up sirens blazing in uniform blasting "we have a warrant for your arrest come out with your hands up" over a PA then you have a legitimate argument to make. But no. The guy defended himself and a black friend from a Patriot Prayer terrorist, was not charged, was able to do several TV and radio interviews, did not know that a warrant had been issued, and had people who look exactly like Boogaloo/3%/Patriot Prayer terrorists coming, to all appearances, to kill him vigilante style in retribution.

The reality probably isn't so far off. I would be utterly shocked if at least one of the four cops who executed him vigilante style in the streets isn't associated with one of the white wing terror cells.

live by vigilante justice die by vigilante justice. he wouldn't have that fear if he wasn't a vigilante in the first place.

if he wanted to live he should have walked into the police station the day he shot someone dead and turned himself in, instead of seeking out freelance journalists.

i dont support unmarked vans or plain clothes officers at all, but its not illegal, just poor police practice.

Self defense isn't vigilantism.

And it may be "poor practice" and "not illegal" but it absolutely should be illegal. And to be Godwin about it, gassing jews was legal. We shouldn't be dismissing police brutality based on this criteria.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Sep 4 2020 01:23pm

to a group that wants no police self defense and vigilantism are the same thing.

Defending yourself from violence vs actively seeking someone to commit an act of violence against are very different things, regardless of whether police exist or not.

Based on your logic, it could be also argued that Chris Dorner's "vigilantism" was in fact "self defense."

Now you and I both know I agree with Dorner and think of him as an American hero, but I'm not going to sit here and tell you he wasn't a vigilante. Because I'm not going to be disingenuous about the whole thing.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Sep 4 2020 01:43pm

im not inclined to accept people's self defense claims at face value when they attend these types of events and are incredibly politically charged things. to put someone who knocks out a drunk that runs at them and this guy in the same category is insane. these people and proud boy agitators in politically charged hotspots are praying for something to happen. they've all got a hero complex for their own fringe side and a boner for hurting the other fringe.

we should be looking at this as a cautionary tale for politically charged activism in violent situations, instead of another indictment of cops. but no, one side excuses the cops completely while the other side calls them nazi murderers. dudes dead no matter what and didnt even take a piggy with him.