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Aug 23 2018 07:20pm
Quote (Horford @ Aug 23 2018 07:06pm)
Oh yeah, a trillion dollar pricetag tax cut scam for the wealthy/upper-middle class is fiscally responsible, but keeping a few polling places open (for a miniscule % of that price tag) is fiscally irresponsible. Ahahahah, yeah... your post doesn't reak of hypocrisy or anything[/sarcasm]


The tax cuts would have been fine if they did a revenue neutral budget. I didn't even speak of them anyway. This is a local government who hired a consultant that looked at the data and and did his job of consulting.
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Aug 23 2018 07:28pm
Quote (Horford @ 24 Aug 2018 03:08)
Huh? Are you saying investment into our democracy isn't important? Because that's what it sounds like you're trying to say, if not, elaborate please.


subsidiarity means that every government task should be done on the most local level possible, and that the responsibilities, authorities and budgets of various levels of government shall be separated as much as possible.

hence, for instance, the local organization and distribution of polling sites is relegated to the county level, while states take care of income taxes and the federal government takes care of the military and corporate taxes.

you simply cannot compare the annual expenditures of small counties to the stream of federal tax revenue over a decade. thats like comparing ants and elephants.

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Aug 23 2018 07:31pm
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The tax cuts would have been fine if they did a revenue neutral budget. I didn't even speak of them anyway. This is a local government who hired a consultant that looked at the data and and did his job of consulting.


Maybe him being fired was an overreaction, but the proposal was ludicrous, the 'fiscal responsibility' argument is a weak one in todays administration (wouldve been with the previous 2 administrations as well)... howbout instead of citing the ADA as a reason (that's probably why he was fired) cite that you need the supposed saved $ on something more important than a polling place (good luck with that though because Democracy is important...)
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Aug 23 2018 07:33pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 23 2018 09:28pm)
subsidiarity means that every government task should be done on the most local level possible, and that the responsibilities, authorities and budgets of various levels of government shall be separated as much as possible.

hence, for instance, the local organization and distribution of polling sites is relegated to the county level, while states take care of income taxes and the federal government takes care of the military and corporate taxes.

you simply cannot compare the annual expenditures of small counties to the stream of federal tax revenue over a decade. thats like comparing ants and elephants.


It was just a general comparison to try acknowledge the hypocrisy of krackprophet, i mistakenly assumed he was pro tax cut but it sounds like he's neutral towards it.
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Aug 23 2018 07:54pm
Quote (Horford @ Aug 23 2018 07:31pm)
Maybe him being fired was an overreaction, but the proposal was ludicrous, the 'fiscal responsibility' argument is a weak one in todays administration (wouldve been with the previous 2 administrations as well)... howbout instead of citing the ADA as a reason (that's probably why he was fired) cite that you need the supposed saved $ on something more important than a polling place (good luck with that though because Democracy is important...)


The local officials and the consultant are not part of Trump's administration. You come into consult and take in information such as non-compliance with ADA, low voter count, and a need to save money. What do you do? You propose closing those polling places. Its not "we need the money somewhere else" its "we are broke and can't afford to spend this money".
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Aug 23 2018 08:05pm
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The local officials and the consultant are not part of Trump's administration. You come into consult and take in information such as non-compliance with ADA, low voter count, and a need to save money. What do you do? You propose closing those polling places. Its not "we need the money somewhere else" its "we are broke and can't afford to spend this money".


If you think citing the ADA was legitimate in advocacy of closing 75%+ of polling places, then yeah... it's not surprising that you can't grasp why he was fired...
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Aug 23 2018 08:24pm
Quote (Horford @ Aug 23 2018 08:05pm)
If you think citing the ADA was legitimate in advocacy of closing 75%+ of polling places, then yeah... it's not surprising that you can't grasp why he was fired...


Its not legitimate to cite law? That's new.
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Aug 23 2018 08:37pm
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Its not legitimate to cite law? That's new.


It's not the ADA itself that's illegitimate, it's the fact that the "consultant" couldn't find a better excuse for closing a majority of local polling places... maybe try gradual voter suppression i.e. take away a polling place every election or so instead of removing 75%+ of polling places BEFORE THE MOST IMPORTANT MIDTERM ELECTION OF THIS CENTURY... it smells like politics... if you can't see that thn yeah i can't help you...

It's the same shit that the G.O.P. does when trying to close abortion clinics, "oh the hallways aren't wide enough, let's close it".
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Aug 23 2018 09:01pm
Quote (Horford @ Aug 23 2018 08:37pm)
It's not the ADA itself that's illegitimate, it's the fact that the "consultant" couldn't find a better excuse for closing a majority of local polling places... maybe try gradual voter suppression i.e. take away a polling place every election or so instead of removing 75%+ of polling places BEFORE THE MOST IMPORTANT MIDTERM ELECTION OF THIS CENTURY... it smells like politics... if you can't see that thn yeah i can't help you...

It's the same shit that the G.O.P. does when trying to close abortion clinics, "oh the hallways aren't wide enough, let's close it".


Never asked for your help nor do I want it. They also cite low voter count and budget. You focus in on the ADA because that's the only thing news sources focus on to make it look as racist as possible. The polling places won't be closed and the county will continue to hemorrhage money due to it.

This conversation doesn't hold any value now, so I'm not going to continue it.

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Aug 23 2018 09:57pm
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Never asked for your help nor do I want it. They also cite low voter count and budget. You focus in on the ADA because that's the only thing news sources focus on to make it look as racist as possible. The polling places won't be closed and the county will continue to hemorrhage money due to it.

This conversation doesn't hold any value now, so I'm not going to continue it.


So if theyre "hemorrhaging" $ like you say, surely the towns in that county will all shut down and and they wont be able to pay town employees salaries and we shoule expert to hear news about that any day now... i'll be looking for the headline: "Randolph county towns can't afford to pay their public employees due to being forced to operate 'expensive' polling places"... bahahahah yeah...

Oh and the kicker, that "consultant" that you say was right in justifying polling closures, was just a temp hire who wasn't even tasked with initiating polling closures...

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Malone was initially hired to fill the role of an elections supervisor until the county found someone to assume the position full time. Instead, he undertook efforts to close all but two of the county’s polling precincts — a proposal that fell outside his purview.
(thinkprogress.org)
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