i never said it was an easy thing, the brexit is a poor comparison though, because that means getting out of the EU as a whole
however you cant possibly continue like this (well you can if you want a gigantic disaster) and as i said many experts have been talking about countries in trouble leave the currency for years

but i guess its too much to expect the current EU to accept their failures

Hopefully the M5S moderated alot its euro speech, very recently (december)

So it's fine imo, anti-euro trash can get good.

Good for Italy. Citizens shouldn't stand for a decrease in quality of life because the government wants to bring in people with dark age beliefs.

Hopefully more Eurosceptic parties will take a foothold in European countries and weaken the EU to a point where our negotiating position will be far stronger and a good deal for the UK more likely.

Maybe we were the domino that started the revolution after all, despite the reported polling in the EU immediately after Brexit. I wonder how many Eurosceptic gains it will take for EU leaders to enable democracy and freedom?

This post was edited by dro94 on Mar 5 2018 03:18pm

"Eurosceptic"

i wonder when this term was created to label anyone who is questioning the mighty EU as some kind of heretic
reminds me of the church back in the day

we really do need some kind of revolution in the member states to stop the european superstate madness that people like macron, merkel, juncker etc want for us
the tentacles of this monster need to be cut back, its time to remember the spirit of the treaty of rome

Yeah it's a pretty bad phrase, much like Islamophobia, but we are all aware what it's referring to so no fuss.

I'm not a big Eurosceptic in the way that I think it's only natural to have a European trading union where goods and services move freely. We do need a collective effort to be united as a continent, especially with Russia and China's belligerence and the effects of climate change. Never liked the lack of democracy, freedom of movement as a right or the 'ever closer union' solemn declaration they added in 1983.

If the EU was massively reformed I'd be actively happy being a part of it, though it turns out I voted remain anyway out of what I think is the legitimate fear of being bullied by the EU on trade when negotiating our exit.

Many people who voted to leave here were the left wing working class, why is it only right wing parties that are Eurosceptic on the mainland? Thought the far left hated old white men being in charge...

absolutely and most "eurosceptics" think the same way

you can bet your ass that the EU will continue to bully you and they have to
to be fair, they kinda have a point, but completely refuse to realise that their failed policy have literally pushed you out

its not only right wing party sceptics here, many leftists hate and accuse the EU of being a bunch of corporate puppets as well as promoting a harmful austerity policy (the irony lol)
they do love the united states of europe part though

Couple of things - No democracy and freedom in the EU? Uwotm8?
and the leave vote came mostly from the right. There were quite a few people on the left who voted leave too but nowhere near as many as on the right.

the situation in Italia is chaotic but not that much anti-european.
What could happend is changes in migration laws / european decision to reduce it alot
Macron said it*, merkel will only be forced to be agree, and italia had the reaction we are seeing now.



Europe cant allow a "good deal" brexit with UK, look like you have issues to understand, it's strategic: brexit must be exposed as a failure for uk, it's an essential point for europe.

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The French president, Emmanuel Macron, pointed out the context of the "very strong migratory pressure" that Italy is experiencing, which would, according to him, be one of the explanations of the results.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Mar 5 2018 04:27pm

The hard left are pretty eurosceptic in Britain, Jeremy Corbyn and McDonnell are two of the most eurosceptic labour MP's out there and they're running the Labour party. Other MP's like Dennis Skinner and John Mann, too. Yes the vast majority of labour MP's voted to remain, but when you consider how that power is concentrated...

The official statistics often quoted are that 61% of conservatives voted to leave and 65% of labour voters voted to remain. But that's based on 2015 labour voters which is the Miliband era, a time when many labour voters were either abstaining or defecting to UKIP. I'd say based on Corbyn voters, that figure is closer to 50-50. Still less than conservatives but it's expected when the real dividing line isn't politics, it's age.

This post was edited by dro94 on Mar 5 2018 04:34pm