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Jan 27 2015 04:09pm
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Jan 27 2015 11:17pm)
The first lines about religion are personal lines about his growing up, and I understand them, it could be argued that it's really just a true statement. Religions are like flocks of sheep if one joins the flock and runs when they run, izg when the flock zigs, zags with the rest, stops with the group eats with the group. but if that one sheep asks why she has to zig each time...

the flock turns and suddenly the hooves become claws and fangs replace molars, and the wolves tear the one that questions apart.

the level of brainwashing is different in each person.


this actually just sounds like most ordinary groups of people. Kids do it, teenagers do it, even adults do it regardless of religion
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 27 2015 03:24pm)
I'm not sure what you think I'm missing.

The part about him knowing intellectually that it's not true? Or attributing it to a Catholic upbringing and the associations with guilt and shame?

In either case, I was just looking for more detail about what goes through his mind in the moments of feeling like the bouts of depression are from God. About what that experience feels like, or sounds like in terms of internal dialogue.


I can't really expand on the thought itself. Here's how the madness usually comes along:

1. Depressive state kicks in. Immediately the mind begins to try to find a solution, a way to distinguish the pain.
2. Pain remains. More depressive(and frustrating) thoughts flood the mind, and considering God is often on my mind, the thoughts eventually flow that way. Why do I have to experience this? What did I do to bring this on? If I were a better person, could I avoid this? Just a blend of irrational, self-critical thoughts.

Depression isn't so much about the thoughts, but the feeling. Take the deepest feeling of love/comfort you've ever felt... and imagine the complete opposite.

Good times.

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Jan 27 2015 05:42pm
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I can't really expand on the thought itself. Here's how the madness usually comes along:

1. Depressive state kicks in. Immediately the mind begins to try to find a solution, a way to distinguish the pain.
2. Pain remains. More depressive(and frustrating) thoughts flood the mind, and considering God is often on my mind, the thoughts eventually flow that way. Why do I have to experience this? What did I do to bring this on? If I were a better person, could I avoid this? Just a blend of irrational, self-critical thoughts.

Depression isn't so much about the thoughts, but the feeling. Take the deepest feeling of love/comfort you've ever felt... and imagine the complete opposite.

Good times.

/blog


Hm, interesting. Thank you for sharing what I'm sure is personal information. Since I'm atheist, I find it important to understand the ways in which God and religion are involved with the lives of people, including the not-so-good stuff in life, like depression.
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Hm, interesting. Thank you for sharing what I'm sure is personal information. Since I'm atheist, I find it important to understand the ways in which God and religion are involved with the lives of people, including the not-so-good stuff in life, like depression.


NP, I don't really see any reason to hide depression from a bunch of strangers on the internet.

Many believers who experience depression find that their relationship with God has helped them overcome it.

For me, I've divorced my occasional depression from God in my mind. I don't ask for help, I don't pray, I don't read the Bible more, because it has never worked.

You know what relieves my bad feelings though? Knowing I've successfully de-railed this topic multiple times. :D

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Jan 27 2015 05:59pm
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NP, I don't really see any reason to hide depression from a bunch of strangers on the internet.

Many believers who experience depression find that their relationship with God has helped them overcome it.

For me, I've divorced my occasional depression from God in my mind. I don't ask for help, I don't pray, I don't read the Bible more, because it has never worked.

You know what relieves my bad feelings though? Knowing I've successfully de-railed this topic multiple times. :D


Ah, I see. Well, this thread is about how religion affects people, so I think this is right on topic!

Certainly better than the nonsense in the OP.

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Jan 27 2015 10:39pm
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NP, I don't really see any reason to hide depression from a bunch of strangers on the internet.

Many believers who experience depression find that their relationship with God has helped them overcome it.

For me, I've divorced my occasional depression from God in my mind. I don't ask for help, I don't pray, I don't read the Bible more, because it has never worked.

You know what relieves my bad feelings though? Knowing I've successfully de-railed this topic multiple times. :D



It's ok for a depressed believer to find help in his relation with God, but depressive person indoctrination is just another abuse. I don't expect who were "saved" by God to reject there religion and find a new reason to be happy, but we must focus helping next generations finding more solid ressources than mythology and superstitions.



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Jan 27 2015 10:59pm
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NP, I don't really see any reason to hide depression from a bunch of strangers on the internet.

Many believers who experience depression find that their relationship with God has helped them overcome it.

For me, I've divorced my occasional depression from God in my mind. I don't ask for help, I don't pray, I don't read the Bible more, because it has never worked.

You know what relieves my bad feelings though? Knowing I've successfully de-railed this topic multiple times. :D


When I was a believer, thinking about God was a really effective anti-depressant. Unfortunately I no longer have that luxury so I've resorted to taking long-term sustainable designer mood brightening drugs. Not the best solution, but it works.

Oh yeah, and a healthy regimen of aerobic exercise and a clean diet.

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When I was a believer, thinking about God was a really effective anti-depressant. Unfortunately I no longer have that luxury so I've resorted to taking long-term sustainable designer mood brightening drugs. Not the best solution, but it works.

Oh yeah, and a healthy regimen of aerobic exercise and a clean diet.


Raw spinach helps me a lot.
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Jan 28 2015 02:17am
Quote (Voyaging @ 27 Jan 2015 23:59)
When I was a believer, thinking about God was a really effective anti-depressant. Unfortunately I no longer have that luxury so I've resorted to taking long-term sustainable designer mood brightening drugs. Not the best solution, but it works.

Oh yeah, and a healthy regimen of aerobic exercise and a clean diet.


Quote (Thor123422 @ 28 Jan 2015 01:47)
Raw spinach helps me a lot.



A constant supply of prescribed anti-depressants works 40%, the little closet in my brain where I sweep thoughts another 30%, dogs who lick my face no matter the level of depressive fog 20%, headphones and music I can lose myself and thoughts in, that or porn...all the rest

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Quote (IceMage @ Jan 21 2015 12:18pm)
Conservatives don't deny that some people are racist.. or that lower class people have a disadvantage in life... we just believe it can be overcome.

I didn't get my current job by being white, I got it because of my past experience, my knowledge, and my interviewing skills. I didn't have any advantage over any other race, because my boss isn't racist, and the vast majority of employers are not. I certainly don't live in a liberal state either.


How do you know for a fact being white had nothing to do with it?
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