Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 15 2024 06:49am)

Wow big mad

Quote (SBD @ Feb 15 2024 08:29am)

Bob is out of the klink. The vodka is flowing.

Quote (SBD @ 15 Feb 2024 07:29)

Bob is out of the klink. The vodka is flowing.

Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Feb 2024 07:37)

i have met way too many people whom the NRA isn't extreme enough for. im not even anti-NRA in a complete sense, but if they're not extreme enough for you chances are we aren't going to agree.

but his ilk are the type to quiz you on the grain load for specific calibres just to try and catch you out so they can claim you're an idiot and they are the real smart ones.

im a good shot, i know dozens of good shots, and none of us learned to be good shots by blowing through boxes of rounds at a range with anything semi automatic. somehow he took that to mean i think an AR round is incomparable to a .22LR, when that wasn't my point at all.

there are good way to learn to shoot, and bad ways to learn to shoot, and a lot of people who dont care about getting good in any case. if your first gun is an AR you bought from a foxnews.com link because you heard its the ultimate home defender for your suburban 3 bedroom home, well i know all i need to know about you. if thats not what they are, good, cool.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 15 2024 08:54am)

Stone-cold sober. When I wrote that post I was hungover and grumpy though. ;)



The second amendment is very clear. The right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Period. At the founding of our nation, the people had all the same arms as the government. Now, apparently "shall not be infringed." means that "the people" can't even attach a bayonet to their gun? Kind of weird, when you think about it. Why would the government be able to have submarines, destroyers, nukes, all manner of nifty gatlings and other full auto and select fire weaponry, every explosive you can imagine, and we're seriously discussing stupid shit like, "Is a pistol grip on a rifle allowable?"

The NRA is not extreme. The NRA is the reason "the people" can no longer stock explosives, automatic weapons, personally own and operate their own naval warships, etc.

As to the rest, I'm not a gun nut. I'm just not stupid. A clip is an actual thing. A way to hold individual rounds together for quick loading into a weapon like an M1 Garand, into a revolver, or even to quick load a magazine with. To conflate a "clip" with a "magazine" is the height of ignorance, and spreads ignorance. Likewise, claiming that a .22 calibre rifle (the AR15) is not a .22 calibre rifle is just pure stupidity. If you are attempting to specify that people should strictly utilize rifles that are rifled for .22 LR ammunition to gain proficiency, say that. Attempting to indicate that .223/5.56 is anything other than a .22 rifle is pretty stupid.

I will say that if a person doesn't know how to shoot, I tend to agree that using a rifle that pops off .22 LR is a wiser choice based on ammunition cost alone. On the flipside, once you buy an AR15, you are not going to gain proficiency with THAT particular weapon without practice.

And you may not be anti-NRA, but I am. The NRA was the primary pusher of the NFA. Thanks to those gigantic fucktards, the right of the people, to keep and bear arms, HAS been infringed.

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The M1 Garand uses clips to load rounds into an internal magazine. When the war was over, veterans came back to the states calling anything that loaded rounds into a firearm a “clip.” This misnomer stuck, and many people now call a magazine a clip and vice-versa.

Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Feb 2024 08:41)

fyi you're railing against what is likely just regional dialect. i grew up using the two terms interchangeably, and im aware of what a clip is when it is not a magazine. my childhood deer rifle was in fact an M1.

as to the NRA that's a really doomer gloomer outlook. while they have played a part in removing the gun rights around certain classes of weapons and explosives, they've also on the other end played a part in preserving gun rights. it could be that in the 1900s somewhere the govt (without the NRA and orgs like them) would have placed VERY restrictive laws on gun manufacture, sale, and ownership. factions in the govt have sought to remove guns from the population's hands forever.

glad you agree on .22 plinking tho.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 15 2024 09:55am)

I understand why "clip" has been used interchangeably. There was a reason I brought up the M1 Garand specifically. The fact remains that a clip is one thing, a magazine is something else.

The NFA would never have passed without the support of the NRA. No American was interested in such a massive government overreach until the NRA sensationalized NY Gang Violence to their supporters and said, "Shit guys, we don't use machineguns anyway! Why can't we just give them up. And you know, explosives. And stuff?"

Ofc I agree with .22 plinking. Isn't that how we all learned to shoot? Handgun or rifle, the first should always fire .22 LR. Some people just simply suck at sighting in on a target, even with a scope. Or they can't figure out how not to jerk the weapon when they fire, or whatever. For people who can't hit their target consistently with .22LR, there's really no point at progressing further. They don't need an AR, or really anything that requires much in the way of aiming. Shotgun for home defense, and other than that, maybe a sharp stick or something. :P

Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Feb 2024 09:18)

my whole line of posts were directed at late in life to guns people. generally own a glock and 2 ars with every accessory they can get, and cant hit the broad side of a barn. i wouldnt claim these people are a problem if i didnt know many in real life. i see them every year on the day our club sights in guns for deer season. they all think they are ultimate home defenders and drive lifted trucks but live in the city. y'all queda.

Quote (YeeHaw @ Feb 15 2024 09:52am)

Bet my life the KC parade shooting was black street violence based on media coverage.

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