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Oct 8 2023 06:04pm
Quote (tman65ky @ Oct 8 2023 04:57pm)
You say that yet they have more human rights in Israel than ANY other Arab nation

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country


what is that resource lmao
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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Oct 8 2023 08:56pm)
none, i am international now

i think there is pretty big difference between illegal mass migration and the international community giving a minority a patch of dirt after suffering the worst genocide in history

comparing these is honestly beyond absurd

the facts are that a palestine never existed and it being an irrelevant piece of mostly desert never mattered.....until non muslims came there

What about legal mass migration? The authorities don't seem to be cracking down on it either way so what's the difference lol

How many Muslims would have to die for you to give up your home to them? Just wondering what the math on this is exactly

Woah those are the facts, and here I thought it was a complicated issue! Someone should tell the Arabs to chill fr

Irrelevent patch of dirt isn't exactly the words I would use to describe Jerusalem but hey what really matters is the GDP amirite

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Oct 8 2023 06:09pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Oct 8 2023 04:56pm)
none, i am international now

i think there is pretty big difference between illegal mass migration and the international community giving a minority a patch of dirt after suffering the worst genocide in history

comparing these is honestly beyond absurd

the facts are that a palestine never existed and it being an irrelevant piece of mostly desert never mattered.....until non muslims came there


sounds like you're just picking and choosing which history to believe.

that's the same as saying the native americans never existed before we got here
Except what the europeans did to the natives is a small percentage of whats happening in palestine..
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Oct 8 2023 06:15pm
Said this before but think ill share again.

Modern day Palestinians are Arabs, that originated out of the Arab peninsula and spread out through the middle east, north Africa & other parts of the world. Most of the time the current inhabitants of whatever land were either destroyed, chased out or assimilated & subjugated by the conquering Arab culture. Many of the Jews were displaced when the Arabs spread into modern day Palestine around then 7th century and subsequently the Arabs treated the Jews badly between 8th-9th centuries, so naturally many emigrated. They went all over, east, north, west to Europe, etc. That's why some of the bigger diasporas were all across eastern Europe, Russia, Armenia, etc. Vast majority in the 1900s lived in Europe (close to 10million)

So when the fascists and the Arabs which were also part of the Axis powers lost WW2, Israel was created, and the leftovers of these Jews that were displaced many centuries ago could return. Prior to Arabs displacing them, they were on that land for thousands of years btw, and there's a fair amount of historical evidence to prove it.

So ultimately, when I hear arguments how they came and stole the Palestinians home, we need to have a fair view of history and not suffer from recensy bias. It would be one thing if this dry slither of land was the only place these Arabs can live but literally there are tens of thousands of square miles all around. Sinai peninsula, Jordan, Syria, where they'd literally be moving a spitting distance from where they currently live and separate from the Jews and live without an issue.

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Oct 8 2023 06:18pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 8 2023 05:15pm)
Said this before but think ill share again.

Modern day Palestinians are Arabs, that originated out of the Arab peninsula and spread out through the middle east, north Africa & other parts of the world. Most of the time the current inhabitants of whatever land were either destroyed, chased out or assimilated & subjugated by the conquering Arab culture. Many of the Jews were displaced when the Arabs spread into modern day Palestine around then 7th century and subsequently the Arabs treated the Jews badly between 8th-9th centuries, so naturally many emigrated. They went all over, east, north, west to Europe, etc. That's why some of the bigger diasporas were all across eastern Europe, Russia, Armenia, etc. Vast majority in the 1900s lived in Europe (close to 10million)

So when the fascists and the Arabs which were also part of the Axis powers lost WW2, Israel was created, and the leftovers of these Jews that were displaced many centuries ago could return. Prior to Arabs displacing them, they were on that land for thousands of years btw, and there's a fair amount of historical evidence to prove it.

So ultimately, when I hear arguments how they came and stole the Palestinians home, we need to have a fair view of history and not suffer from recensy bias. It would be one thing if this dry slither of land was the only place these Arabs can live but literally there are tens of thousands of square miles all around. Sinai peninsula, Jordan, Syria, where they'd literally be moving a spitting distance from where they currently live and separate from the Jews and live without an issue.


If only we could take Palestine and push it somewhere else.

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Oct 8 2023 06:26pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 9 2023 02:04am)
What about legal mass migration? The authorities don't seem to be cracking down on it either way so what's the difference lol

How many Muslims would have to die for you to give up your home to them? Just wondering what the math on this is exactly

Woah those are the facts, and here I thought it was a complicated issue! Someone should tell the Arabs to chill fr

Irrelevent patch of dirt isn't exactly the words I would use to describe Jerusalem but hey what really matters is the GDP amirite


i dont see where your argument, you are just throwing random shit at me

Quote (LL0RT @ Oct 9 2023 02:09am)
sounds like you're just picking and choosing which history to believe.

that's the same as saying the native americans never existed before we got here
Except what the europeans did to the natives is a small percentage of whats happening in palestine..


lmao

native americans actually owned that land independently and they almost got wiped out as a race when the settlers took america

another low IQ comparison

listen, if you want to make the argument that aggressive settling policy by israel was a mistake thats cool, because its a fact

however the history is clear: the jews faced immediate genocide attempts the moment they arrived in the middle east
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Oct 8 2023 06:29pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 8 2023 05:18pm)
If only we could take Palestine and push it somewhere else.


into the ocean?
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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Oct 8 2023 05:26pm)
i dont see where your argument, you are just throwing random shit at me



lmao

native americans actually owned that land independently and they almost got wiped out as a race when the settlers took america

another low IQ comparison

listen, if you want to make the argument that aggressive settling policy by israel was a mistake thats cool, because its a fact

however the history is clear: the jews faced immediate genocide attempts the moment they arrived in the middle east


native americans owned that land in the same way that the Palestinians own their land. They were just overtaken by a massive military, but the difference is we don't put natives in jails and gas their families. We dont go to where they are praying and kill them.

This is one of the worst atrocities in the modern human era
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Oct 8 2023 06:43pm
Quote (LL0RT @ Oct 8 2023 08:30pm)
native americans owned that land in the same way that the Palestinians own their land. They were just overtaken by a massive military, but the difference is we don't put natives in jails and gas their families. We dont go to where they are praying and kill them.

This is one of the worst atrocities in the modern human era


There are remnants of structures in Jerusalem today that were literally laid by king Solomon, an ancient Jewish king 3000 years ago. Can you tell which point in history should we begin our analysis of 'ownership' and why?

edit: got my history wrong somewhat, not 3000 but 2500*

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 8 2023 06:45pm
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Oct 8 2023 06:48pm
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There are remnants of structures in Jerusalem today that were literally laid by king Solomon, an ancient Jewish king 3000 years ago. Can you tell which point in history should we begin our analysis of 'ownership' and why?

edit: got my history wrong somewhat, not 3000 but 2500*

can you tell me when in human history it was okay to gas mothers and children praying and then execute them with a military?
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