'1 minute of using this site called google'

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/ungluecke/untergang-der-grande-america-oelteppich-treibt-auf-frankreich-zu-16089134.html
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/greenpeace-8000-tonnen-oel-verschmutzen-jaehrlich-die-nordsee-a-1031030.html

close and recent enough?! seriously, what kind of 'argument' is that even? just because you can't remember any recent catastrophes that were close to your home it isn't true?! because oil pumped and transported was spilled outside german borders such catastrophes don't affect us? you can't see it so it doesn't exist?

are you seriously suggesting that wind turbines are even close to fossil fuel when it comes to damaging our environment? you single-handedly elevate science denial to a whole new level here...

inb4 'b-b-but that is not exactly what i said / that's a conspiracy theory / triggered'

This post was edited by fender on Apr 5 2019 12:34am

looks like someone didnt take his medication today, which makes the reading comprehension even worse

well, how is one supposed to read that then:



what point are you trying to make? because you replied with this after i pointed out the massive false equivalence comparing the ecological impact of wind turbines with that of fossil fuel.

the point is that so called environmental friendly energy has massive drawbacks as well to a degree that it does not justify the cost or the amount of energy produced
the overall yield is absolutely pathetic

which leads to the double standards, there is a huge fuss about the hambacher forst, but there is no protest when a few kilometres away a forest is destroyed for wind power

and the likes of you simply deny the massive industry behind the climate change hysteria, which wants to make maximum profit just as much as your precious fossil fuel mafia
if these solar panels, batteries, wind turbines are actually good for our environment does not matter

this cult has become the new indulgence trade
give us your money and your environmental sins are forgiven

exactly. and just like the people in the 16th century, we are nowadays told that everyone is born with the "original sin" of his ecological footprint.

you need to stop lying, i clearly and unequivocally stated in this very thread that wind turbines DO have their drawbacks (none of which is cancer though) - the point i made regarding trump's retarded statements is that it's massively hypocritical to talk about the unfortunate but ultimately inconsequential number of dead birds when you uncritically support, subsidise, and de-regulate industries that killed sheer unthinkable amounts of wildlife, destroyed whole eco-systems, and also had their fair share of human casualties by the way (not just accidents, but actually cancer related).

so trying to support his idiotic narrative with your ridiculous false equivalences is almost equally stupid - and in what way your personal observing (or rather the lack thereof) of birds dying in an oil spill is related to your last post (or relevant in any way whatsoever for that matter) still remains a mystery - but i guess you will dodge that one forever - just like your demonstrably false claim about large scale brawls being a normal occurrence in berlin for example....

speaking of lies and false equivalences, i have also explicitly stated (pretty sure it was in conversations you were involved in) that renewable energy providers and manufacturors are of course an industry that is competitive and also interested in political influence. but to mention that in the same breath as industries that for decades have been (and still are) heavily subsidised with trillions of dollars, while at the same time spending massive amounts of money to keep the population uninformed and undermine climate research, is nothing short of ridiculous. 'mafia' is a term you don't even have to introduce here, their dealings and political influence speak for themselves.

inb4 'b-b-but that's just a conspiracy theory, that never happened, there is no proof of that'

This post was edited by fender on Apr 5 2019 01:57am

Another few hundred thousand hours of NON ecological energy required to fix this no doubt...






As for the cancer thing. I haven't read up on it, but wind turbines are generators, that have fairly large magnetic fields. MAYBE Trump read something about this and misinterpreted it?




Ooh look, no fossil fuels used here either... :/

Transporting the blade of a wind turbine









/e There's obviously nothing wrong or bad about wind or solar or hydroelectric or wave power. BUT they work/co-exist in a very large grid that get MOST of it's energy from power generation that pollutes.
ONE DAY, we might have advanced the non-polluting power generation methods to the point where we no longer NEED fossil or nuclear power. But that day is definitely not here yet.


Maybe we should power everything with... cow farts. Then we could have our beef and electricity too.

This post was edited by Ghot on Apr 5 2019 02:13am

the subsidy argument is kinda funny here, the renewable energy industry would neither exist like it does now nor leave a penny to earn if it werent for several hundred billion € of subsidies in germany alone

easiest way to make money, fossil fuel industries can make money on their own and have to compete on the open market
getting money guaranteed from the state who robs its people with planned economy is much more convenient

and you of all people should oppose the fact that poor people are paying the price so that wealthier folks can feel good

you might want to do your research regarding fossil fuel subsidies, direct and indirect ones.

not surprised you exclusively focused on that over the main point about the negative environmental impact though - which you unsurprisingly dodged entirely. guess even you realised how retarded those false equivalences were...

and of course you didn't address in what way your lack of personal experience with birds dying in oil spills was relevant to this conversation or the topic in general - just like predicted...

This post was edited by fender on Apr 5 2019 02:51am