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Oct 16 2024 01:01pm
Quote (SkySwallower @ 16 Oct 2024 20:49)
3. If the people migrating here illegally would be good for the economy, most of us would welcome them with open arms, not only the rich. Sad truth is that a huge part of the people migrating are 20ish year old losers with no education.

... and if they weren't vastly overrepresented in crime statistics for knife violence, gang rape and such. And if the people coming weren't 60-70% male. And if we had more positive experiences with the assimilation of previous migrants from their countries of origin...


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3.75 The AFD had virtually no support (and was a completely different party) before russia annexed crimea, so I don't think that is a valid comparison. Although lower income and worse education for sure also play a role in voting far right (or left with BSW), independent of weird russia ties.

The AfD was founded in 2013, so it's trivial that they had barely any support back in 2014. Their polls did not surge in 2014 after Russia annexed Crimea though. In fact, the AfD was on the brink of fading into irrelevancy in the early summer of 2015, then nearly instantly shot up to well above 10% when Merkel opened the floodgates in the fall of 2015.

Likewise, the first half of the year 2022 saw the AfD polling badly and having some of their worst state election results ever. Even months after the invasion of Ukraine. They surged from 9% in June 2022 to 20% in June 2023 in two waves: one surge in the fall of 2022 when inflation went through the roof and became felt in the pockets of normie voters, and then another surge in the spring of 2023 when asylum immigration escalated once again and the government tried to ram through a costly climate law at the same time.

Them doubling their vote share within the span of 12 months quite clearly shows that they're a protest party and that racists don't make up the bulk of their voter base. You can't tell me that millions of voters took until 2022 before they all of a sudden realized that they had in fact been rampant racists all along.

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Not an illusion, but actual change is indeed made as difficult as possible. Still: if democracy was an illusion, stuff like Brexit or Trump defeating Hillary would never have been allowed. Going a bit further back: if democracy was an illusion, France, Germany and Canada would not have refused allegiance to the US when they wanted to invade Iraq.


They still need to maintain plausible deniability for the illusion. The citizens of the UK were punished for voting for Brexit by the regime - after the Brexit vote is when the barbarians hordes started pouring through the gates. Secondly, the citizens of America were punished for voting for Trump by the regime - again, this is when they fully opened the gates for the barbarian hordes (the cages were built by Obama and he was the deporter in chief, remember). They maintain deniability by allowing meaningless votes - if you vote wrong, you get "corrected" and nothing changes. No one ever refused allegiance to the US, like I said again there is a carefully managed plausible deniability.

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... and if they weren't vastly overrepresented in crime statistics for knife violence, gang rape and such...

Them doubling their vote share within the span of 12 months quite clearly shows that they're a protest party and that racists don't make up the bulk of their voter base. You can't tell me that millions of voters took until 2022 before they all of a sudden realized that they had in fact been rampant racists all along.


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1 is directly correlated to them being 20 year old male losers, nobody wants that demographic. People that are working parts of society very rarely dagger people, independent of country of origin.

2. I just want to point out that I never said that all AFD voters are racists (I actually said the opposite in my very first post), it would be very bleak for us as a country if that would be true. It would still be good if we as germans would be more wary falling for empty promises and too easy solutions from far right populists, many of which are defacto actual racists in the worst 1930s nazi sense.
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1. Republikaner and NPD lost around 90% of their voters in the time the AFD became what it is now, so 9 out of 10 racists vote AFD might be a more accurate but a little less succinct statement.

2. Sure, super conservative voters often times also hold racist believes anchored in ignorance, not malice. I wouldn't call an old bavarian farmer who never met a foreigner but "also doesn't like them" a racist, even though his believes match the description. Those people usually stay with their CDU/CSU party until the day they die. The racists that actually want to hurt foreigners are flocking to the AFD though, see NPD and Republikaner numbers over time.

3. The CDU is on their way to support what you want for the better or the worse. I personally despise Friedrich Merz with passion, but at least you can be assured that empathy won't play a big role in his handling of the migrant crisis. If this is what you want, he is the man for you.

3.5 AFD and BSW are weirdly affectionate towards Russia and especially Putin. If I felt "patriotic", those asshats would be the last partys I would vote for.

3.75 a lot of voters, especially in eastern germany just vote pro russian. I am not exactly sure why, but it's a pattern that has held true for 40 years by now. The non racist AFD voters are probably happy about their stance towards russia, which would explain the descripancy in votes in west and east germany for them.


I find it hilarious that you midwit Germans have such a visceral racist hatred for Russian people, yet you accuse your political opponents of being racists.

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Oct 16 2024 01:24pm
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They still need to maintain plausible deniability for the illusion. The citizens of the UK were punished for voting for Brexit by the regime - after the Brexit vote is when the barbarians hordes started pouring through the gates. Secondly, the citizens of America were punished for voting for Trump by the regime - again, this is when they fully opened the gates for the barbarian hordes (the cages were built by Obama and he was the deporter in chief, remember). They maintain deniability by allowing meaningless votes - if you vote wrong, you get "corrected" and nothing changes. No one ever refused allegiance to the US, like I said again there is a carefully managed plausible deniability.


You're engaging in textbook conspiracy theorist rationalization. Evidence contradicting the conspiracy theory doesn't mean that the theory might be wrong, no, it just means that "the conspiracy runs even deeper/is even more elaborate than I thought".
Regarding the point about Obama: opening the floodgates is what the Democrats already wanted to do in 2016, but Trump's unexpected victory stopped them. Then, when they came into power in 2020, they did what they were set to do anyway. Doesn't mean that "the regime explicitly opened the floodgates to punish the recalcitrant electorate".



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1 is directly correlated to them being 20 year old male losers, nobody wants that demographic. People that are working parts of society very rarely dagger people, independent of country of origin.

Sexual violence is rampant in Muslim and many African countries and not limited to 20 year old losers.

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It would still be good if we as germans would be more wary falling for empty promises and too easy solutions from far right populists, many of which are defacto actual racists in the worst 1930s nazi sense.

Well, as long as the mainstream parties refuse to offer any solutions, voters will continue to flock to right-wing populists promising easy solutions. The AfD might not have super well-thought out ideas for how to close the floodgates again, but they at least show the willingness to do it. All the mainstream parties have to offer are a myriad of excuses why it's supposedly impossible to close the floodgates, hiding behind the EU, international law, logistical failures and so on and forth.

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You're engaging in textbook conspiracy theorist rationalization. Evidence contradicting the conspiracy theory doesn't mean that the theory might be wrong, no, it just means that "the conspiracy runs even deeper/is even more elaborate than I thought".
Regarding the point about Obama: opening the floodgates is what the Democrats already wanted to do in 2016, but Trump's unexpected victory stopped them. Then, when they came into power in 2020, they did what they were set to do anyway. Doesn't mean that "the regime explicitly opened the floodgates to punish the recalcitrant electorate".




Sexual violence is rampant in Muslim and many African countries and not limited to 20 year old losers.


Well, as long as the mainstream parties refuse to offer any solutions, voters will continue to flock to right-wing populists promising easy solutions. The AfD might not have super well-thought out ideas for how to close the floodgates again, but they at least show the willingness to do it. All the mainstream parties have to offer are a myriad of excuses why it's supposedly impossible to close the floodgates, hiding behind the EU, international law, logistical failures and so on and forth.


All evidence points towards validating the conspiracy, not the other way around. Unless you're going to tell me that Epstein killed himself too, nothing to see here?

The Democrats held power from 2008 to 2016. They did not open the floodgates - instead, they orchestrated a carefully managed influx. If opening the floodgates was always the plan, as you say, why not open them while Obama was in office? After 2016, orders come down to open as wide as they possibly can as their is now a wrench in their plan. Flooding the country with dregs was always the plan, but their plan was to do it much more slowly so midwits wouldn't figure it out.

All evidence points towards the conspiracy - that's what I'm saying. If you break through the illusory veil that the regime has over your eyes it becomes self evident. There is zero evidence that points away from the conspiracy, just mental gymnastics to the regime's favour.

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golly suprise suprise suprise leftie frauds lied again
Trump Proven RIGHT, FBI Stealth Edits Crime Report PROVING Crime IS UP, Democrats LIED
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golly suprise suprise suprise leftie frauds lied again
Trump Proven RIGHT, FBI Stealth Edits Crime Report PROVING Crime IS UP, Democrats LIED
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