To quote Bill Maher, I don't think Americans are driving by lettuce fields and wishing they could be there lol. For high skill jobs, that is tightly regulated and you have to by law look for Americans first. I don't think many people are for uncontrolled immigration, that's a way to destroy a country.

Only true for those who come here as adults. And the majority of adult immigrants is low education by our standards, which means that they will most likely be stuck in low productivity jobs for the rest of their lives. So while "we" didnt have to pay for however many years of school they had in their countries of origin, those adult immigrants typically arent contributing too much in taxes either. And when someone is working illegally while sending his kids to our schools, using our roads and hospitals and so on, it is very easy for him to turn into a net drag on our society.

From our perspective, young kids which can still go through almost the entire school system here, or highly qualified adults, are the more desirable immigrants.

At the end of the day, it's just dishonest to pool together highly qualified adults who are coming legally via green card with low education adults coming illegally.

but uncontrolled immigration is exactly what has been happening on a large scale on the southern border since the 70s.



even in a world where we have 98% control over the southern border, we could legally bring in mexicans to legally work on lettuce fields if necessary. would cut into the profit margins of the farmers and increase food prices slightly, but it would at the same time save us a big chunk of costs elsewhere.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 31 2019 05:42pm

We don't have uncontrolled immigration. If we did, we'd have a hell of a lot more Hispanics than we do now. MOST are turned away. The fact that some get in is inevitable but it could be a hell of a lot worse.

I agree that we should have a guest worker program. The right-wing torpedoed Bush's plan though.

I wouldnt call 22 million undocumented people (see a recent Yale study) in the country as "control over the border".

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates



A guest worker program would make sense if illegal immigration truly was reduced to a minimum. But while there are between 400k and over 1 million illegals coming across the border per year, as was the case over the last 4 decades, such a program is hard to justify.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 31 2019 07:15pm

i've honestly stopped caring about the issue.

the people up top would rather play politics rather than give us the information they clearly have and act on it in a honest manner.

It would be much less of an issue if those illegal immigrants werent an electoral timebomb with a delayed fuse.

(Their US born children and grandchildren will have citizenship and be eligible to vote, and since they lean heavily to the left, they are shifting the political balance and direction of the entire country. These days, the children of the immigrants from the 80s and 90s are coming of age and we're currently starting to see its effects. Another example: does anyone remember when Obama was running hawkish deportation policies in 2009, before latino pro-immigration groups convinced him otherwise?)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 31 2019 07:29pm

Our country had no immigration for a majority of its history contrary to popular opinion. We opened the borders temporarily based on need. This is no longer the case ever since the most honorable Ted Kennedy pushed to change it - and it doesn't work well unfortunately. Ted Kennedy even admitted the only reason for him to push the immigration was to put his hand on the scales at elections.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Mar 31 2019 07:30pm

I'm skeptical of the 22 million claim, consensus is typically around 12-15. Regardless though, most come here LEGALLY and simply overstay their visas. I'm not saying that's good, but it has less to do with the border and more to do with the fact that we simply don't track people in our country.

But let's roll with your 22 million claim and let's say half that is a result of border hoppers. We're talking about roughly 10 million people over a couple decades. That's really not that bad given the populations of Central and South America. It's obviously a problem, but we're doing pretty darn well all things considered.



Uh...how can that be? We were a fucking colony. We've had dozens of immigration waves since the establishment of our country. Could you please clarify?

We stopped being a colony and became a country. The laws changes over time. Its not popular knowledge but our borders were closed more than 2/3 of the time until 1970.