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Quote (Ghot @ Mar 31 2019 10:47am)
I don't care if the folks crossing our southern borders are blue with pink polka dots. It's the illegal part that bothers me.
People from other countries can't just "decide" they don't like where they are and up and move to the US. Not without being seriously vetted. And not without wanting to become a US citizens en, legally.


Btw, Ray Steven is only "known" to be a comedian. Anything else, YOU brought with you. And that doesn't make it true.



But you do care if they are brown.
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But you do care if they are brown.


It's not about the color of the skin, it's about the culture in which they grew up and were socialized. Even if these people come with good intentions, they inevitably bring their cultural imprint with them. And whether leftists and antiracists like it or not, but the cultural imprint from central american/african/arabic societies is frequently causing problems and friction.
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It's not about the color of the skin, it's about the culture in which they grew up and were socialized. Even if these people come with good intentions, they inevitably bring their cultural imprint with them. And whether leftists and antiracists like it or not, but the cultural imprint from central american/african/arabic societies is frequently causing problems and friction.



You can adopt a xenophobic attitude and create more tension, or you can adopt an inclusive attitude, relieve tension, and foster positive social exchange.
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You can adopt a xenophobic attitude and create more tension, or you can adopt an inclusive attitude, relieve tension, and foster positive social exchange.


should they sign a waiver for their kids to forcibly be taught lgbt propaganda in school ?
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You can adopt a xenophobic attitude and create more tension, or you can adopt an inclusive attitude, relieve tension, and foster positive social exchange.


Acknowledging that there are cultural differences, and that some cultural differences can cause problems, is not xenophobia.

The key question in all of this, the one that all leftists avoid like the plague, is the following: "which groups of immigrants do we want to include?"
Alternatively, it could be phrased as "which social tensions and problems do we want to deal with, and which ones do we want to avoid by not letting them into our country in the first place?"

An "inclusive attitude" towards the whole world is not feasible, for a myriad of reasons.

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Acknowledging that there are cultural differences, and that some cultural differences can cause problems, is not xenophobia.

The key question in all of this, the one that all leftists avoid like the plague, is the following: "which groups of immigrants do we want to include?"
Alternatively, it could be phrased as "which social tensions and problems do we want to deal with, and which ones do we want to avoid by not letting them into our country in the first place?"

An "inclusive attitude" towards the whole world is not feasible, for a myriad of reasons.


They bring good food and that makes up for any sort of negative impact they may have. Immigrants will always be shit on but we all come out better.
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Quote (thundercock @ 31 Mar 2019 23:19)
They bring good food and that makes up for any sort of negative impact they may have. Immigrants will always be shit on but we all come out better.


Simply not true. The natives which are competing with them for jobs and housing dont come out better. And if you let very low education immigrants come into a country with a generous welfare state, like what Western Europe has been doing for the past 2-3 decades, the impact might be negative altogether, for the entire society and economy, and not just the segments competing with them.

Granted, if you have a lean welfare state like the US, and bring in immigrants which are happily exploited by sub-minimum wages, then the segments of society which are benefitting from this are relatively numerous. So yes, immigration is often a boon, but this is not set in stone and depends on the circumstances. There definitely is no automatism that "immigration = net positive for the host country".

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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Mar 31 2019 03:11pm)
should they sign a waiver for their kids to forcibly be taught lgbt propaganda in school ?


No. Just like they are taught white colonialist propaganda, capitalism, militarism, and heteronormative propaganda without a waiver, they should also be taught about better cultures and better people without a waiver, too.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 31 2019 04:26pm)
Simply not true. The natives which are competing with them for jobs and housing dont come out better. And if you let very low education immigrants come into a country with a generous welfare state, like what Western Europe has been doing for the past 2-3 decades, the impact might be negative altogether, for the entire society and economy, and not just the segments competing with them.

Granted, if you have a lean welfare state like the US, and bring in immigrants which are happily exploited by sub-minimum wages, then the segments of society which are benefitting from this are relatively numerous. So yes, immigration is often a boon, but this is not set in stone and depends on the circumstances. There definitely is no automatism that "immigration = net positive for the host country".


Immigrants have a huge advantage towards tax contributions versus receiving.

They didn't cost the country 12 years of school

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But you do care if they are brown.




No I don't. I care that they are attempting to have what the people in this country worked so hard for... without putting in the effort.
Just like I wouldn't like it if someone got paid for the same work as me, but didn't have to do anything all day.

This is WHY I like the Ray Stevens video. That is pretty much what he says in the song. Come to the USA, there's no penalties to pay...etc.

I know it's corny, but I believe in... fair.
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