cultist spotted!

In germany all racists support AFD, that doesn't mean all AFD supporters are racist - it still does paint a pretty accurate picture of the party in one sentence.

Trump is so old and senile. It’s getting sad. I miss 2016 Trump.

Jot it down in a journal. I feel this helps people cope better than JSP.

1. Not true, there are still multiple smaller neonazi parties.

2. There are still tons of voters who hold racist beliefs, but stick with the mainstream conservative CDU out of habit. Likewise, there are plenty of antisemitic or even racist migrants voting for left-wing parties. Dito with certain antifa types who are openly racist against Germans. Admittedly a small group, but they do exist. So this claim that "all the racists support the AfD" is patently false. The group which almost exclusively vote for the AfD are voters who strongly reject the ongoing mass third world immigration into Germany under the guise of asylum laws.

3. Consolidation of political ideologies and "lanes" around a single party is artificially forced by Germany's electoral system with its 5% threshold. A lot of voters, myself included, would prefer a party which is located somewhere between the cucked mainstream "coservative" CDU and the AfD; such a party even exists (called FW), but they're polling at 2% federally and as long as they don't have a good chance of making it to parliament, voters know that they'd be wasting their vote with them. During the recent local elections for my home state of Bavaria (basically the "Texas of Germany"), the FW did great and even finished ahead of the AfD - but that's because they're an established party in our state and voters knew they'd make it above the 5% threshold. This whole episode goes to show that there are a lot of voters who aren't happy with the direction of the AfD, yet still vote for them in federal elections due to the lack of a better alternative.


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Going back to US politics: former KKK leader and infamous white supremacist David Duke just endorsed Jill Stein, not Trump:
https://democrats.org/news/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-endorses-jill-stein/

It's almost like democracy in the West is an illusion

Not an illusion, but actual change is indeed made as difficult as possible. Still: if democracy was an illusion, stuff like Brexit or Trump defeating Hillary would never have been allowed. Going a bit further back: if democracy was an illusion, France, Germany and Canada would not have refused allegiance to the US when they wanted to invade Iraq.

1. Republikaner and NPD lost around 90% of their voters in the time the AFD became what it is now, so 9 out of 10 racists vote AFD might be a more accurate but a little less succinct statement.

2. Sure, super conservative voters often times also hold racist believes anchored in ignorance, not malice. I wouldn't call an old bavarian farmer who never met a foreigner but "also doesn't like them" a racist, even though his believes match the description. Those people usually stay with their CDU/CSU party until the day they die. The racists that actually want to hurt foreigners are flocking to the AFD though, see NPD and Republikaner numbers over time.

3. The CDU is on their way to support what you want for the better or the worse. I personally despise Friedrich Merz with passion, but at least you can be assured that empathy won't play a big role in his handling of the migrant crisis. If this is what you want, he is the man for you.

3.5 AFD and BSW are weirdly affectionate towards Russia and especially Putin. If I felt "patriotic", those asshats would be the last partys I would vote for.

3.75 a lot of voters, especially in eastern germany just vote pro russian. I am not exactly sure why, but it's a pattern that has held true for 40 years by now. The non racist AFD voters are probably happy about their stance towards russia, which would explain the descripancy in votes in west and east germany for them.

1. The support of these two parties doesn't make up nearly the whole group of racist voters. Like I mentioned, there's also plenty of racism among Arabs, antifa-types and such, and among the elderly voters who stick with their party.

2. I really don't think there's any difference between the casual racism of elderly CDU voters and less radical AfD voters - what sets these groups apart is the willingness to abandon one's previous political home.

3. The CDU has lost all credibility on the issue due to Merkel's antics. Merz might not have any personal qualms about cracking down on the border, but he's not believable in this role, either. First, because he's THE agent of the billionaire class, which ofc loves a steady influx of cheap labor. And second because he's ruling out any coalition options except ones which involve either the social democrats or the greens. Promises for structural change on migration policy aren't believable when you rule out any partner other than those who consider this a total non-starter. I'm sure that a lot of gullible voters will for it, though.

3.75. The East-West divide in AfD support already existed long before the Ukraine war broke out. The true explanation for this divde are structural factors: a poorer, more rural, less educated electorate in East Germany, and significantly weaker party affiliations, so that the share of swing voters is simply higher in the East than the West.

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2. I really think there is a huge difference there but we can agree to disagree.

3. If the people migrating here illegally would be good for the economy, most of us would welcome them with open arms, not only the rich. Sad truth is that a huge part of the people migrating are 20ish year old losers with no education.

3.75 The AFD had virtually no support (and was a completely different party) before russia annexed crimea, so I don't think that is a valid comparison. Although lower income and worse education for sure also play a role in voting far right (or left with BSW), independent of weird russia ties.