Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 19 2019 09:52am)

Oh, look...Ghot with the wrong take on this, like usual.

Do you know that artificially inflating net worth to obtain a bank loan is illegal?

But Trumpets don't care if Dear Leader did anything illegal, because it's all about party and "their guy".

Quote (Beowulf @ Mar 19 2019 09:52am)

The law and order party that doesn't care about the law and wants political opposition locked up without due process

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 19 2019 07:58am)

I did understand what I'll take "posts completely tangential... " meant, I just don't agree with you that it IS off topic. You just don't want to hear the answer.

The majority of this country is white.
Ever since 2016, the entire left has complained about not seeing Trump's tax returns.
They have ALSO complained about white folk picking on everyone else.

Then, miracle of miracles, the left expects the same folks they blame for everything, to get behind their demand that Trump show his tax returns.


I would bet that there is some funny stuff in his tax returns. I'd also bet that there is funny stuff in most rich folks tax returns.


And as for "wants opposition party locked up w/o due process", puleeeeze.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 19 2019 09:57am)

What do Trump's arguments and knowledge look like? I always point back to this speech as my go-to example;
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-trump-paris-climate-accord/

He cited his sources, gave the facts and figures, laid out a cogent argument. I'm sure you won't look past his trademark hyperbole and superlatives and see only the style, but the logic is right there. And what was the 'intellectual' response? The fact-checking pundits insisted that 3% growth was impossible. Politifact even 'fact checked' his purely rhetorical statement about the citizens of pittsburgh not paris. Krugman probably got out of his apocalypse bunker he has been hiding in since election night only to see his shadow and retreat.

In an era of identity politics, weaponized morality and utterly retarded mindbogglingly anti-intellectual retardisms like the Green New Deal, I don't see how you can pretend a faction that embraces smug intellectual youtubers is the party of anti-intellectuals. Oh noes, they're watching Jordan Peterson deliver a monologue of nuanced deconstruction of rhetorical tropes employed by illogical zealots, that stupid generation is getting its mind rotted by internet access! Look away Billy!

Quote (Beowulf @ Mar 19 2019 10:03am)

You have long showed that you support law and order to the harshest degree on the poor and on minorities

And at every opportunity you have failed to show yourself principled or consistent in the matter when the law comes around to your party or ideology

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 19 2019 08:09am)

See... blaming the white boi, yet again. Erroneously, I might add.

Ya know why Trump won? He won because he saw the entire left decided to get the minorities vote by blaming the majority for everything.
Trump said to himself...holy crap, I can win this election just by taking the majorities side.

The left also decided that they would have open borders to get even more minority vote. And Trump, again, siding with the majority, went anti-immigration. Another win for Trump.


Funny part is, the left still hasn't realized that you don't win elections by slamming the majority of the US.

Quote (Beowulf @ Mar 19 2019 10:10am)

You brought race into this

I'm addressing your lack of consistency and principles

Quote (majorblood @ Mar 19 2019 09:46am)

there's a difference between knowledge, intellect, and how someone represents themselves to the public. Would you prefer someone who looked good to the world (great speeches, friendly with allies, etc) but made questionable decisions or someone who looked questionable to the world but made good decisions?

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 19 2019 10:18am)

Tbh, I'd prefer someone who could cover both bases.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l46C5wVFdiXBHSwi4/giphy.gif

Quote (IceMage @ 19 Mar 2019 11:06)

Really? A scripted speech written by his advisers is the example of Trump's knowledge and intellectualism?

So that's the key to really understanding what's in Trump's head? Ignore the tweets, ignore the off-script statements, ignore the interviews where he sounds absolutely mad... just focus on the statements that he didn't even write? Sounds reasonable.

Didn't the Trumpists abandon Peterson a while ago because he opposed one of Trump's policies or something? But hey, continue to conflate Republican voters as a whole, with young Republican voters who like Shapiro, with Trumpist true believers who think Candance Owens and Charlie Kirk are the future of conservatism. Ben Shapiro was a never Trumper btw.

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 19 2019 09:58am)

I did understand what I'll take "posts completely tangential... " meant, I just don't agree with you that it IS off topic. You just don't want to hear the answer.

The majority of this country is white.
Ever since 2016, the entire left has complained about not seeing Trump's tax returns.
They have ALSO complained about white folk picking on everyone else.

Then, miracle of miracles, the left expects the same folks they blame for everything, to get behind their demand that Trump show his tax returns.


I would bet that there is some funny stuff in his tax returns. I'd also bet that there is funny stuff in most rich folks tax returns.


And as for "wants opposition party locked up w/o due process", puleeeeze.