Ahh, so you're claiming to be the standard bearer of evidence? Who put you in charge of that?

Do you think subjective evidence is of any standard if you wanna prove something?
Maybe you arent here to prove something, but the way you responded to me certainly sounded like you wanted to.

If we talk about objective, unrefutable evidence - which is the one needed for proof - then there is no standard bearer of evidence needed, cause its objectively clear whats proof and what isnt.

VERY well said. No idea why religious people always try to disproof evolution as if it was the opposite of their believe. Theres plenty of religious scientists out there. Science has no problem with religion, but religion has a BIG problem with science (most of the time, not always). Which says a lot about religion...

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Aug 31 2023 05:31am

Wrong. I give every god every chance every day and have done so for getting on 50 years. Not one god has ever given me any reason to believe. I still await the opportunity to believe in a god, but none appears.



I can comprehend just fine. There's simply no evidence to support it.
That's fine, gods prerogative. But that means god doesn't want me to believe in him. Anything that truly fits your definition of a god must know that I am not capable of believing in that which is unbelievable. If god wants my belief then I need something. And no, you don't fit the criteria. People lie, people make mistakes, people have hallucinations. The word of people is not evidence or the slightest bit convincing.



I don't. If you'd been paying any attention to my posts instead of thinking you're better than me just because you've been on this site longer in your very unchristian arrogance you'd realize I've stated multiple times that science has no issues with religion unless or until religion pretends to be science. I have no issues with god taking 14 billion years a big bang and evolution to get us here. I'm not a god so I can't critique the methodology. It's outside my purview. I don't think a god is necessary, but there's no evidence to discuss either way so I don't particularly care if you want to replace question marks with god. Just don't expect me to follow suit.



You have to trust the books were written by Edison or a contemporary of Edison to believe them. If I write a book about Edison and say he was resurrected and died for our sins noone (hopefully) will believe it because I didn't know Edison or anyone who knew Edison and I wasn't even born when Edison was alive. Also resurrection is impossible and has never happened.
Replace Edison with jesus because that's the exact situation. Decades after the mythological jesus died is the first mention of jesus. And then suddenly this person noone ever knew was performing miracles and resurrecting. Yeah I'm going to want video evidence of this shit not the word of untrustworthy people who never even knew the guy.



It would be if I was on such a quest because science and religion don't have a crossover. Science is proven superior for understanding the universe mechanically, but understanding the universe mechanically isn't religion's purpose so it doesn't matter. Of course math is better at figuring out geometry than grammar. Each tool to it's own use.
I read the word of the christian god and it's the word of a narcissistic asshole. Fortunately I'm willing to accept the probability that the people who wrote about him messed it up and the people who compiled the writings also messed up. Unfortunately god never commissioned a rewrite.

Fix your formatting I'm not going to waste time assembling your post of nonsense and then refuting it.

like what?



i dont have any problems with science. the monkey man chit isnt science though its just a different religion.



thats weak dude. snakes had legs in the fossil record. heard it first in scripture. you cant even say that perhaps its maybe just a teeny weeny bit weird.

Religion is purely words on paper, pure haresay and stories in a book taken literally to be true without any physical or literal proof.

It's equivalent of me reading a Harry Potter book and taking it at its word. Then proclaiming people can cast spells, fly on brooms and battle magical creatures.

The standard of proof for Christians to be something true must be merely written down. They have faith in just a story no matter how magical and batshit crazy they will believe it.

We are dealing with people who go around thinking that it's possible for people to survive inside of a fish under water for 3 days or to ressurect from the dead or that talking snakes are real.

The problem is that these are not some harmless larping group of nerds who fantasize about being in a magical land of Narnia, they genuinely believe their book of magical stories is 100% true and are willing to die and kill for their beliefs. These are not stable individuals and I think an asylum or some suitable program is needed to snap them out of their stupor.

This post was edited by addone on Aug 31 2023 01:50pm

i got delivered from alcoholism and thats more real then you are

All scientific proofs are also words on a paper. Do you really not know what a manuscript is.

By your own logic, why do you accept proof delivered on a manuscript if it's just words on a page that are self referential?

Self referential lolololol

Scientific discoveries and known theories are based on strict peer reviewed testing. Thousands if not millions of people verify something before it becomes a major discovery. Even after vigorous testing and scrutiny it only is a theory. And anyone is welcome to disprove it or add to it or come up with a better explanation.

Not only that science is often put into practice and we can use it in everyday life. We drive it, fly it, we eat it, extends our life and provides better quality of life. I don't require "faith" or "just pray to our magic man" or "sacrifice a goat", I can actually use it. When you drive an electric car you don't require to believe or even read a scientific paper on how it's possible to drive with electric motor because you are fucking driving it





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