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Mar 13 2020 10:12pm
Quote (Whiskers @ Mar 13 2020 11:00pm)
do people actually read dis lel tbh


I read this
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Mar 13 2020 10:16pm
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Oh yeah, I've said since day one I have no fucking clue how November will go, but god this coronavirus thing has made me somehow even less sure about what will happen in November.

Trump, so far, hasn't been great, but hasn't been terrible. I think after time passes and more details about the corrupt shit he does that doesn't make it to the light of day gets out he will move from being a middling president to being a bottom 25%, but at least initially he'll be regarded as okay.

He's proven pretty inept at getting done what he wants to get done, so I've enjoyed that much at least.


Imho it's fairly simple to make an educated guess: Biden is an uninspiring and rapidly declining opponent, so that offsets Trump's own weaknesses, in particular his failure on the coronavirus reaction. The tiebreaker and deciding factor for November is the question of how hard the economy and job market get ravaged by the coronavirus. If the economy is still in meltdown by November, or the country is still in some sort of lockdown, then Trump is toast. If the economy is on a noticeable upward trajectory, then Trump imho is the clear favorite.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 13 2020 10:17pm
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Mar 13 2020 10:22pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Mar 2020 04:55)
what corona proves to me is that trump hasn't done that bad up until now. of course its been a mess, chaotic, a reality tv show. but this, this right here, is the reason that all of the "inexperience in governing is a bad thing for a potus, outsiders can be a disaster" narratives were right. when it comes down to a REALLY bad thing, trump will fail hard. kids in cages, tax cuts, failed walls, buying Greenland, etc. all that shit was just a warmup, were in the real game now.

for you as a democrat tho, trump has never been more beatable. pandoras box at least has a silver lining. but lol, biden.


I dont think that this has anything to do with inexperience or outsiders making worse politicians. The administrative failures in the coronavirus response are entirely to be blamed on Trump's very own personality and weaknesses. An outsider who's more serious and less self-absorbed could have handled this with ease. Say a Bloomberg or Ross Perot type.
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Mar 13 2020 10:34pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 14 2020 12:12am)
I read this


:hug:
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Mar 13 2020 10:49pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2020 11:22pm)
I dont think that this has anything to do with inexperience or outsiders making worse politicians. The administrative failures in the coronavirus response are entirely to be blamed on Trump's very own personality and weaknesses. An outsider who's more serious and less self-absorbed could have handled this with ease. Say a Bloomberg or Ross Perot type.


Yeah, it comes down to temperament. Trump does not have the temperament to be an effective president in times of crisis.
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Mar 14 2020 03:04am
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Yeah, it comes down to temperament. Trump does not have the temperament to be an effective president in times of crisis.


Also the time for petty partisan shit has gone. His Twitter is still full of partisan bullshit.

During times like these the president needs to be the president of all Americans. Not just Republicans.
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Mar 14 2020 10:58am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 13 2020 10:49pm)
I mean, did they find shit? of course. did it live up to even a bit of what we all assumed could be there? no.

it was a failed attempt at collusion in the trump tower meeting and then ancillary crimes stemming from obstruction on a level that wasn't worth impeaching imo.

that's not to say the senate ever did the right thing, they wouldn't have impeached no matter what. but if I was sitting there I likely wouldn't have voted for it either, especially that late in a term.


Clear difference between "a conspiracy with Russia wasn't found" and "nothing was found".

Also not sure why you're conflating the Ukraine issue with this. Trump was impeached over Ukraine, not Russiagate.
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Mar 14 2020 11:21am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 13 2020 09:49pm)
I mean, did they find shit? of course. did it live up to even a bit of what we all assumed could be there? no.

it was a failed attempt at collusion in the trump tower meeting and then ancillary crimes stemming from obstruction on a level that wasn't worth impeaching imo.

that's not to say the senate ever did the right thing, they wouldn't have impeached no matter what. but if I was sitting there I likely wouldn't have voted for it either, especially that late in a term.


They found that the Trump administration was receptive to working with Russia, but failed on several accounts due to incompetence, and may not have been able to be charged due to simply not knowing that their conduct was unlawful.

They also found that Trump ordered subordinates to attempt to obstruct the investigation, but they just refused to do so. McGahn resigned in response to Trump's order to get rid of Mueller. There's the infamous line "If we were confident the president did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state", which is powerful considering Mueller spelled out his framework to only include "did not" and "defer to congress".

Mueller didn't find a smoking gun that Trump colluded with Russia, but he did not find that Trump was innocent on pretty much anything, and "innocent" was explicitly within his framework.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 14 2020 11:26am
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Mar 14 2020 12:30pm
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Sleepy Joe Biden was in charge of the H1N1 Swine Flu epidemic which killed thousands of people. The response was one of the worst on record. Our response is one of the best, with fast action of border closings & a 78% Approval Rating, the highest on record. His was lowest!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1238288908431036423?s=19


Lol.
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Mar 14 2020 12:38pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Mar 14 2020 07:30pm)
Lol.


Quite the petty asshole.
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