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Feb 8 2019 04:11pm
Quote (ampoo @ Feb 8 2019 10:55pm)
he may correct me if i am wrong, but i guess his intention was to remind sauci that his own country is slowly becoming a third world sinkhole and that he no business to bullshit others

no excuses needed for anything, these migrant ghettos are a fact
period


Then you don't have any business to bullshit France, according to your own view about where the leadership of your country is getting you..

We should stop discussing, the world is gonna go to shit anyways, look at Mars !

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Feb 8 2019 04:15pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 8 2019 02:27pm)
pathetic attempt to change the topic. i'm calling out your and zitze's bigotry, nazi boy. i'm calling out the retarded assumptions you make about people based on what they look like.

you don't actually believe that anyone was unclear about what his intention was posting the pictures, despite the half-assed backpedaling and scrambling for excuses, do you?


Congrats, you got me to comment on your unadulterated bs.

The photo in question that got you so triggered is from https://les-tess-du-93.skyrock.com/2878374022-PIERREFITTE-SUR-SEINE-QUARTIER-DES-JONCHEROLLES.html Pierrefitte-sur-Seine, a commune in Seine-Saint-Denis.

A quick look at the wikipedia article on Seine-Saint-Denis:

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History

Seine-Saint-Denis was created in January 1968, through the implementation of a law passed in July 1964. It was formed from the part of the (hitherto larger) Seine department to the north and north-east of the Paris ring road (and the line of the old city walls), together with a small slice taken from Seine-et-Oise.

Seine-Saint-Denis has a history as a veritable left-wing stronghold, belonging to the ceinture rouge (red belt) of Paris. The French Communist Party especially has maintained a continued strong presence in the department, and still controls the city councils in cities such as Saint-Denis, Montreuil and La Courneuve. Until 2008, Seine-Saint-Denis and Val-de-Marne were the only departments where the Communist Party had a majority in the general councils but the 2008 cantonal elections saw the socialists become the strongest group at the Seine-Saint-Denis general council (while the Communist Party gained a majority in Allier and lost it in 2015).

A commune of Seine-Saint-Denis, Clichy-sous-Bois, was the scene of the death of two youths which sparked the nationwide riots of autumn 2005. In October and November, 9,000 cars were burned and 3,000 rioters were arrested.

In 2018, the department had the highest crime rate in metropolitan France.[1] In 2017, the area was the theatre of 18% of all drug offences in metropolitan France.[1]

1 = http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/15/rap-info/i1014.asp



I don't think it's the first time I tell you this (and it probably wont be the last).. the abyss is looking back into you. - so fixated in identity politics that the moment you see a group of black individuals depicted in an image your immediate reaction is to make it about race and rush to label someone a racist/bigot.. All of this regardless of his actual reasons for referencing that image and in this case the fact that the image had a legitimate purpose..

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you don't actually believe that anyone was unclear about what his intention was posting the pictures, despite the half-assed backpedaling and scrambling for excuses, do you?


It's funny how folks like you claim to have omniscient powers and know the real intentions behind the actions/words of other people. (Regardless of when they tell you how wrong you are) :rofl:
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Feb 8 2019 04:33pm
Quote (Knoppie @ 8 Feb 2019 23:11)
Then you don't have any business to bullshit France, according to your own view about where the leadership of your country is getting you..

We should stop discussing, the world is gonna go to shit anyways, look at Mars !


fair point, but since we are still doing much better i am a position to say that

Quote (WiziLiCe @ 8 Feb 2019 23:15)
Congrats, you got me to comment on your unadulterated bs.

The photo in question that got you so triggered is from https://les-tess-du-93.skyrock.com/2878374022-PIERREFITTE-SUR-SEINE-QUARTIER-DES-JONCHEROLLES.html Pierrefitte-sur-Seine, a commune in Seine-Saint-Denis.

A quick look at the wikipedia article on Seine-Saint-Denis:

I don't think it's the first time I tell you this (and it probably wont be the last).. the abyss is looking back into you. - so fixated in identity politics that the moment you see a group of black individuals depicted in an image your immediate reaction is to make it about race and rush to label someone a racist/bigot.. All of this regardless of his actual reasons for referencing that image and in this case the fact that the image had a legitimate purpose..

It's funny how folks like you claim to have omniscient powers and know the real intentions behind the actions/words of other people. (Regardless of when they tell you how wrong you are) :rofl:


nailed it, fender is the actual racist here
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Quote (WiziLiCe @ 8 Feb 2019 23:15)
Congrats, you got me to comment on your unadulterated bs.

The photo in question that got you so triggered is from https://les-tess-du-93.skyrock.com/2878374022-PIERREFITTE-SUR-SEINE-QUARTIER-DES-JONCHEROLLES.html Pierrefitte-sur-Seine, a commune in Seine-Saint-Denis.

A quick look at the wikipedia article on Seine-Saint-Denis:



I don't think it's the first time I tell you this (and it probably wont be the last).. the abyss is looking back into you. - so fixated in identity politics that the moment you see a group of black individuals depicted in an image your immediate reaction is to make it about race and rush to label someone a racist/bigot.. All of this regardless of his actual reasons for referencing that image and in this case the fact that the image had a legitimate purpose..



It's funny how folks like you claim to have omniscient powers and know the real intentions behind the actions/words of other people. (Regardless of when they tell you how wrong you are) :rofl:


Quote (ampoo @ 8 Feb 2019 23:33)
nailed it, fender is the actual racist here


pathetic. again, look at all the assumptions you made just based on that one photo. at least have the balls to say it...

"ackchually, calling out racists is racist, he really just wanted to make a point about immigration policy, YOU made this about race. context? what context? history of bigoted posts? irrelevant, he SAID he's not a racist and this is just about policy, you can't look into his head. checkmate. i am very clever."

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Feb 8 2019 04:57pm
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pathetic. again, look at all the assumptions you made just based on that one photo. at least have the balls to say it...

"ackchually, calling out racists is racist, he really just wanted to make a point about immigration policy, YOU made this about race. context? what context? history of bigoted posts? irrelevant, he SAID he's not a racist and this is just about policy, you can't look into his head. checkmate. i am very clever."


I reckon we may have a new candidate to thesnipa's 'fender dictionary'

As for the later part;

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Sauci posts a picture of a city sign in Northern Ireland with bullet holes and thus leans into the fearmongering "brexit will cause a civil war"-narrative. I reply with two pictures which, first, remind him that parts of his own country are more fucked up and dangerous than Northern Ireland was at its worst during the Troubles and which, second, mocked France - a common trope on this sub and particularly in replies to our favorite Frenchmen.

Enter Fender and suddenly this has turned into a multi-page-long debate about racism and then a meta-debate about debates about racism. :wallbash:
Probably I should have just posted the first pic with the trash on the French streets. The second pic, which was intended to show the social decay in the French banlieu, happened to remind the viewer of the inconvenient fact that a large majority of the social issues in France is related to non-whte immigrants. I guess this just triggered him too much to look past it, even when this fact was not the point, as should have been obvious from the first pic which didnt show people or skin colors at all.

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Feb 8 2019 07:03pm
Quote (fender @ 9 Feb 2019 01:43)


How is this backpedaling? I posted pictures without further explanation, because I thought that no explanation would be needed.

You then created some false fantasy interpretaion of my supposed intentions, and when my explanation doesnt live up to your pipedream, you frame this gap between the reality and your "nazis, nazis everyhwere"-fantasies as my fault, as me backpedaling. :rofl:
Maybe you should question your own priors instead. Just sayin'...

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Feb 2019 02:03)
"ackchually, calling out racists is racist, i really just wanted to make a point about immigration policy, YOU made this about race. context? what context? history of bigoted posts? irrelevant, i SAID i'm not a racist and this is just about policy, you can't look into my head. checkmate. i am very clever."


oh how could ANYONE think you and poo boy were racists? inconceivable! you are just telling it like it is, no bigotry, no bias, just 'facts', right?

seriously though, the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 8 2019 03:44pm)
there are some poor and decaying urban areas in every country, yes - but their frequency and scope varies a lot between countries. in northern england/scotland/northern ireland, you have a ton of really fucked up cities (with a largely white popluation, btw!), just as you have the vast 'banlieu' in France with vast social problems. there are no decaying districts of this magnitude in germany/austria/japan/canada and other countries.


and just for the record: I hate uneducated, lawless thugs roaming the streets of fucked up urban areas, no matter the color of their skin.


Give some examples of fucked up cities in the uk
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