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Mar 10 2019 01:07pm
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a company that's truly on the side of progressivism ^_^
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Mar 10 2019 03:15pm
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Lol

They should be tried for this since they are a US company
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Mar 10 2019 04:10pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ 9 Mar 2019 15:29)
Yeah, but we live in the present, not the yesterday. Clearly, Trump would totally lose. In fact, the only reason AOC wouldn't beat him is because she's not 35 yet. Admit it, you'd vote for her twice (maybe thirty thrice, if you live in Chicago, and have some dead relatives).


AOC would guarantee a loss for democrats LOL
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The good news is maybe he will avoid making more poor decisions to please her

the bad news (for trump) is she will eat him alive in a feud and she only has money to make and he only has supporters to lose

and she is much more intelligent and strategic than he is

these last 2 years will only get more and more fun to watch

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Quote (Beowulf @ 10 Mar 2019 23:14)
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The good news is maybe he will avoid making more poor decisions to please her

the bad news (for trump) is she will eat him alive in a feud and she only has money to make and he only has supporters to lose

and she is much more intelligent and strategic than he is

these last 6 years will only get more and more fun to watch


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 8 2019 12:02pm)
... well, except for Obamacare and DACA, two of Obama's most major and impactful legislative achievements.

But you're right in that it is too early to come to a definitive conclusion about Obama's legislative and political legacy, let alone Trump's.


DACA was rammed through as an executive order and bypassed congress and Trump could wipe it out any day on a whim if he wanted to, but hasn't- and is trying to use it as a bargaining chip
the ACA was passed through congress initially but then gutted and stripped of its funding by congress, and Obama had to go around them to get his appropriations for risk corridors which was even more unconstitutional than DACA
so the ACA kind of gets credit for being real legislation, but at the same time it was not only party lines but a total backdoor process with nothing but a fig leaf of a fake comment period in congress while the actual bill was written in secret

none of that really shines well when we're looking at whether Obama's approach was authoritarian.
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Mar 10 2019 04:45pm
Quote (ChrisKz @ Mar 11 2019 09:10am)
AOC would guarantee a loss for democrats LOL


I disagree.
Aoc would be able to get all the apathetic liberals out to vote, the dems will pick her over trump and all a dem candidate needs to do is get a good dem turnout.
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ftfy


Ayyyyyyy
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Quote (Goomshill @ 10 Mar 2019 23:42)
DACA was rammed through as an executive order and bypassed congress and Trump could wipe it out any day on a whim if he wanted to, but hasn't- and is trying to use it as a bargaining chip
the ACA was passed through congress initially but then gutted and stripped of its funding by congress, and Obama had to go around them to get his appropriations for risk corridors which was even more unconstitutional than DACA
so the ACA kind of gets credit for being real legislation, but at the same time it was not only party lines but a total backdoor process with nothing but a fig leaf of a fake comment period in congress while the actual bill was written in secret

none of that really shines well when we're looking at whether Obama's approach was authoritarian.


trump already tried to rescind DACA, and was stopped by the courts. about a year ago, Dems were willing to settle for a DACA deal on Trump's terms to prevent mass deportations, but then the courts saved them and the Dems have been asking for a deal on their terms ever since.
the courts blocking Trump from rescinding an EO that his predecessor created - which is totally ridiculous in and off itself - is one of the main reasons why trump hasnt made more progress with the wall yet.

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trump already tried to rescind DACA, and was stopped by the courts. about a year ago, Dems were willing to settle for a DACA deal on Trump's terms to prevent mass deportations, but then the courts saved them and the Dems have been asking for a deal on their terms ever since.
the courts blocking Trump from rescinding an EO that his predecessor created - which is totally ridiculous in and off itself - is one of the main reasons why trump hasnt made more progress with the wall yet.


trump could walk all over the court if he wanted to and basically ignore them with another EO
and he could appeal it and instantly get it knocked down at the high court because like you say its a patently absurd ruling

but lets not kid ourselves, the reason DACA is alive right now is because Trump doesn't want to kill it. He gains nothing by simply killing DACA. Its a huge leverage for him to hang onto, and burns him if he does it for no good reason
lots of times these court rulings are just a political buck-passing contest. Politicians would rather let some activist judge set a farcical ruling on something politically inconvenient and put it into limbo than to force the issue and make them actually rule on the merits
that's been the case with a lot of our most controversial topics like gun control, abortions, illegal immigration, etc
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