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Personally, I think Trump did a good job with this. Now I am NOT referring to everything he tweeted, but what he actually... DID.
When we boil away all the TDS crap... we see that Trump has done two major things...

1. Shut down the movement of the people in and out of the US.
2. Made it possible for big pharma to get itself in gear.

Sometimes, it seems that folk expect Trump to solve ALL the problems in the US, with one law or EO. Further, folk expect this while half the country is still acting like a spoiled 6 year old that didn't get what they wanted in 2016.
This country does/did have some seriously BIG problems that needed fixing. Things like...

1. Corrupt govt. employees. (FBI, FISA court, State Dept., MSM that forgot what news is, and just went completely off the rails)
2. Three of four states, thinking they are sovereign countries.
3. A totally screwed up economy,
4. Complete disregard for any immigration laws or policies, and no desire to modernize those same policies.
5. A serious glut of judges on all levels that don't seem to be even trying to be... just.
6. A socialistic health care system, in a capitalist country, that had no funds appropriated to allow it to even function.
7. Trade agreements that were slowly sapping this countries wealth.
8. And 2-3 nuke happy countries to deal with as well.


Along with all this going on, Trump and cohorts still managed to get the countries ass in high gear 6-7 days after Washington State's cases, first appeared.
The only failure I've seen from the Trump crew is NOT getting a citizenship question on the census, and not managing to enforce nationwide voter ID.

Yet with all this CRAP going on, Trump has managed to deal with the CV and fix most of the problems he set out to fix.



tl;dr version: Trump had nothing to do with creating big pharma, yet he still managed to get big pharma's ass in gear AND managed to find a solution for CV using big pharma and our money grubbing healthcare facilities.







Yes... Trump doesn't have the personality I would wish for a president,
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Mar 13 2020 09:48pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2020 08:32pm)
I never expected him to be great at handling something like a public health crisis, it's just that I didnt expect him to be quite as lost and undetermined in this situation. Where is the fighting spirit, where is the determination? He made a wrong assessment initially, and then took too long to acknowledge his mistake and reverse course rhetorically. Fine. But now that he has realized the severity of the situation, I would have expected a forceful response. Why doesnt he just order the measures his experts tell him to do, and sell them as his idea? He could still salvage the situation for himself and get out of this with just a few bruises to his public image, perhaps losing a few percentage points of approval. Instead, he's like a deer caught in the headlights.


Still, as I said: a lot of world leaders were caught on the wrong foot by the coronavirus, not just Trump. For example, Johnson's and Merkel's weaknesses have been exposed by their subpar response to this crisis just as much as Trump's.


Why doesn't he do as the experts say and claim it as his idea? It's really easy. HE DOES NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN HIMSELF. THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL TO HIS CHARACTER AND HAS BEEN ON FULL DISPLAY SINCE DAY ONE.

Jesus fuck you guys really don't pay attention.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 13 2020 09:48pm
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 13 2020 10:48pm)
Why doesn't he do as the experts say and claim it as his idea? It's really easy. HE DOES NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN HIMSELF. THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL TO HIS CHARACTER AND HAS BEEN ON FULL DISPLAY SINCE DAY ONE.

Jesus fuck you guys really don't pay attention.


to be fair you've got a poster in black who is constantly on the other side of issues as you on Trump that is saying he's surprised at how badly he's handling it. deer in headlights, etc.

what do you want him to say? "you've been right for years on 100 issues and ive been wrong all along and now I see the error of my ways"? lol.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 13 2020 09:51pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 13 Mar 2020 18:32)
Honestly, I didnt expect him to drop the ball this hard on a crisis like the coronavirus. I thought that his protective instincts would shine through much earlier, both on public health and the economy. And yes, you can all laugh at me now and call me a cultist and say "I told you so". :rolleyes:

To be fair though, the governments of other big countries like Spain, the UK, the Netherlands or Germany havent reacted much differently and also dropped the ball quite hard. Merkel's communication on the issue, for example, was coming too late, was wishy-washy and irritating rather than reassuring. Not as confused as Trump's little speech Wednesday night, but still not good at all.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ 13 Mar 2020 20:32)
I never expected him to be great at handling something like a public health crisis, it's just that I didnt expect him to be quite as lost and undetermined in this situation. Where is the fighting spirit, where is the determination? He made a wrong assessment initially, and then took too long to acknowledge his mistake and reverse course rhetorically. Fine. But now that he has realized the severity of the situation, I would have expected a forceful response. Why doesnt he just order the measures his experts tell him to do, and sell them as his idea? He could still salvage the situation for himself and get out of this with just a few bruises to his public image, perhaps losing a few percentage points of approval. Instead, he's like a deer caught in the headlights.


Still, as I said: a lot of world leaders were caught on the wrong foot by the coronavirus, not just Trump. For example, Johnson's and Merkel's weaknesses have been exposed by their subpar response to this crisis just as much as Trump's.




Yeah, sure, the Never Trumpers are having a field day with this. Calling the Trump presidency over is still way too early. Particularly since he'll be running for reelection against an unsteady guy with frequent episodes of senility and dementia rage.


America isn't like every other country. We have higher standards than Spain, the UK, the Netherlands and Germany.

If we subscribe to America exceptionalism (like Trump does), then we should have a higher bar of success and expectations.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 13 2020 10:50pm)
to be fair you've got a poster in black who is constantly on the other side of issues as you on Trump that is saying he's surprised at how badly he's handling it. deer in headlights, etc.

what do you want him to say? "you've been right for years on 100 issues and ive been wrong all along and now I see the error of my ways"? lol.


Yeah, I mean it's great that he's acknowledging Trump's ineptitude, but god that doesn't make it less frustrating.

Black, I appreciate your contributions to the forum. Sorry for being harsh <3
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 13 2020 10:52pm)
Yeah, I mean it's great that he's acknowledging Trump's ineptitude, but god that doesn't make it less frustrating.

Black, I appreciate your contributions to the forum. Sorry for being harsh <3


what corona proves to me is that trump hasn't done that bad up until now. of course its been a mess, chaotic, a reality tv show. but this, this right here, is the reason that all of the "inexperience in governing is a bad thing for a potus, outsiders can be a disaster" narratives were right. when it comes down to a REALLY bad thing, trump will fail hard. kids in cages, tax cuts, failed walls, buying Greenland, etc. all that shit was just a warmup, were in the real game now.

for you as a democrat tho, trump has never been more beatable. pandoras box at least has a silver lining. but lol, biden.

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what corona proves to me is that trump hasn't done that bad up until now. of course its been a mess, chaotic, a reality tv show. but this, this right here, is the reason that all of the "inexperience in governing is a bad thing for a potus, outsiders can be a disaster" narratives were right. when it comes down to a REALLY bad thing, trump will fail hard. kids in cages, tax cuts, failed walls, buying Greenland, etc. all that shit was just a warmup, were in the real game now.

for you as a democrat tho, trump has never been more beatable. pandoras box at least has a silver lining. but lol, biden.


Oh yeah, I've said since day one I have no fucking clue how November will go, but god this coronavirus thing has made me somehow even less sure about what will happen in November.

Trump, so far, hasn't been great, but hasn't been terrible. I think after time passes and more details about the corrupt shit he does that doesn't make it to the light of day gets out he will move from being a middling president to being a bottom 25%, but at least initially he'll be regarded as okay.

He's proven pretty inept at getting done what he wants to get done, so I've enjoyed that much at least.
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do people actually read dis lel tbh
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Mar 13 2020 10:09pm
Finally some proper action:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/coronavirus-emergency-declaration-trump-128530
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/13/congress-coronavirus-stimulus-package-deal-friday-128140

Good god that took long. :rolleyes:


Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Mar 2020 04:48)
Why doesn't he do as the experts say and claim it as his idea? It's really easy. HE DOES NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN HIMSELF. THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL TO HIS CHARACTER AND HAS BEEN ON FULL DISPLAY SINCE DAY ONE.

Jesus fuck you guys really don't pay attention.


I am aware of this character trait. One other common theme with Trump, however, has been that he does consistently get his shit together and listens to his advisors when his back is really against the wall. And considering the electoral implications that the health and economic impact of the coronavirus crisis will have, this is without a doubt a back-against-the-wall situation for Trump, even under the assumption that he cares only about his own future but not about the country at all (which is a characterization that I wouldnt subscribe to, at least not in this totality). So even operating under the "pure selfishness"-premise of the Trump critics, I would have expected him to come around on the coronavirus situation quicker than he did. The stuff I linked above, the emergency declaration, the $50b in funding, the stimulus package from Congress - all this stuff should have come on Tuesday; Wednesday at the latest.



Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Mar 2020 04:52)
Yeah, I mean it's great that he's acknowledging Trump's ineptitude, but god that doesn't make it less frustrating.

Black, I appreciate your contributions to the forum. Sorry for being harsh <3


Np, I know that I can be a stubborn and contrarian sob. :P
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Quote (Ghot @ Mar 13 2020 08:00pm)
Personally, I think Trump did a good job with this. Now I am NOT referring to everything he tweeted, but what he actually... DID.
When we boil away all the TDS crap... we see that Trump has done two major things...

1. Shut down the movement of the people in and out of the US.
2. Made it possible for big pharma to get itself in gear.

Sometimes, it seems that folk expect Trump to solve ALL the problems in the US, with one law or EO. Further, folk expect this while half the country is still acting like a spoiled 6 year old that didn't get what they wanted in 2016.
This country does/did have some seriously BIG problems that needed fixing. Things like...

1. Corrupt govt. employees. (FBI, FISA court, State Dept., MSM that forgot what news is, and just went completely off the rails)
2. Three of four states, thinking they are sovereign countries.
3. A totally screwed up economy,
4. Complete disregard for any immigration laws or policies, and no desire to modernize those same policies.
5. A serious glut of judges on all levels that don't seem to be even trying to be... just.
6. A socialistic health care system, in a capitalist country, that had no funds appropriated to allow it to even function.
7. Trade agreements that were slowly sapping this countries wealth.
8. And 2-3 nuke happy countries to deal with as well.


Along with all this going on, Trump and cohorts still managed to get the countries ass in high gear 6-7 days after Washington State's cases, first appeared.
The only failure I've seen from the Trump crew is NOT getting a citizenship question on the census, and not managing to enforce nationwide voter ID.

Yet with all this CRAP going on, Trump has managed to deal with the CV and fix most of the problems he set out to fix.



tl;dr version: Trump had nothing to do with creating big pharma, yet he still managed to get big pharma's ass in gear AND managed to find a solution for CV using big pharma and our money grubbing healthcare facilities.







Yes... Trump doesn't have the personality I would wish for a president,



What? There is so much BS here not even worth unwinding you mental gym show
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