Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 4 2019 06:14am)
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/11/as-democratic-elites-reunite-with-neocons-the-partys-voters-are-becoming-far-more-militaristic-and-pro-war-than-republicans/greenwalds rag walks through the polling numbers and tells me things I already know, but its always interesting to see the public opinions on it.
Some pretty ridiculous results that show how democrats and republicans have basically switched positions entirely on warmongering and interventionalism.
2011 results for pulling troops out of afghanistan were 56% of all voters, 43% republicans, 67% democrats. Now in 2019, support for pulling troops out of aghanistan is 56% all voters, 81% republicans, 37% democrats
and then democrats supported pulling out of syria about even 50-50 split up until Trump announced he was going to pull out of Syria, at which point democrats magically flipped to 28% support 54% oppose
but as I've said for 2 years now, this was all very obvious back when people voted for the female version of george w bush
It is an interesting switch. As much as there's a Trump cult, to a lesser degree there's an anti-Trump cult of sorts. Of course, context matters here as well. Democrats didn't just wake up one morning and decide they hate Russia for no reason...
Interventionism is the norm in American foreign policy, and every president post 9/11 is hesitant to withdraw from the fight against radical Islam. Greenwald said Obama campaigned on pulling troops out of Afghanistan, but in 2009 there was the Afghanistan surge. Trump is less inclined to listen to his advisers, and more inclined to follow his gut/Ann Coulter's gut. There's also the obvious point that even if Trump is enacting policy someone might agree with, he does it in a shitty way. Waking up one morning and deciding to announce we're leaving Syria in 30 days without coordinating with our allies/his own government first is bad process. I think many people on both sides like that we're talking to the North Koreans, but Trump manages to fuck it up by saying the threat is over and Kim Jong Un is a great guy. He's incapable of doing things the right way.
This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 4 2019 11:21am
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