Also enter the candidate who is pretty much campaigning on the idea of working together with people and getting others to work together so we can actually get something done for once this decade.

This post was edited by Mangix on May 9 2016 12:23pm

You won't get it from mainstream media, they'll never show the crowd. But if you look at some of the pictures of the rallies, people like Hillary are in small rooms with a few hundred people while Trump is speaking in a fully packed football stadium with 30,000 people + 10,000 more outside trying to get in.

Smaller news sites are starting to report it more and more, and there's a few videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3xbBGB4tP4

http://nypost.com/2015/08/22/trump-gets-biggest-crowd-of-any-2016-candidate-so-far/

This post was edited by EA7 on May 9 2016 02:42pm

I think them benefiting is way more likely than a viable Indy coming out of nowhere so late, but I don't even think that would swing the outcome given how much Obama beat Romney in the battlegrounds. Clinton has to either do significantly worse than Obama did in those, or Trump has to do better than Romney did (or both at the same time). In the case of VA: Johnson got about 30k votes in back in 2012 and we also had a former House Rep. on the ballot who also spent 20 years in the State Senate and he managed only 10k votes, and he was practically universally known in a third of the state that Obama ignored and that Romney took for granted. If the non-major vote only amounts to ~60k votes and Obama received 2.0m and Romney got a little over 1.8m, it's just not going to make the difference unless something else caused the numbers to shift at the top. VA's also one of the few states this year that won't have to deal with GOP voter suppression that had to put up with it in 2012 (the other being PA), so that could mean more additional raw votes.




No, LOL. Just no.



I don't understand how people still don't get this shit after all this time. His numbers haven't "steadily gone up." He gets more unpopular as time passes, to the point now where he's comically unpopular. He's become more popular among Republicans, starting last August and hitting a key mark in November (Paris attacks), but his numbers have been going in the complete opposite direction with literally everyone else. That dynamic can work in a primary where he only won 40% of the cumulative vote because the rest of it (and the money) is split between the huge field, all because the party is disorganized.

To win a general election his numbers with other groups have to start moving in the right direction now, too. And they have to improve by a whole lot.

hmm im not trusting you btw in your piece of paper i read bernie made 28k in oregon

data on that stuff is very very unsure
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/how_big_was_the_crowd_at_donal.html



This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 9 2016 03:05pm

You don't see the crowd at Trump's events because he forces the traveling press into a pinned-in area, so they logistically can't pan around the room. He whines that they don't show the crowd sizes even though he's the reason they're not allowed to do it, because he's a pathological liar.

Clinton has more events at smaller locations because she has more events period. She's kept a more active campaign schedule than he has and they're better for organizing. Amusingly that "low energy" attack Trump flung at Bush was way more applicable to himself than anyone else.

The press doesn't show the crowds because Trump consistently has significantly more people at his events. Period. Trump's largest crowds have been upwards of 30,000 people. Clintons largest crowds have been around 4,000 people. Clinton has more events at smaller venues because she pulls in smaller crowds.

Goofy Elizabeth Warren and Crooked Hillary are so toast - weak! All talk no action!

yeah because covering Trump more than any other candidate to the point of putting an empty Trump stage(awaiting a speech) on the main screen while Sanders (another 30ker) is actually giving a speech in the tiny right hand corner is not interested in covering what goes on at Trump rallies

Nope, that's just hurr durr bullshit. I get why you're regurgitating it (because you're clueless), but don't bother spewing this nonsense at me: I'm obviously way too informed to buy into this. I mean this bullshit was debunked month's ago like every other one of his lies. The press isn't allowed to leave the press pen, and that's what obstructs them from being able to film the crowds (or him from any other angle but the one they use). It's open and shut.

https://twitter.com/patcaldwell/status/702363824750460928

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-michael-mayo-reporter-kicked-out-trump-rally-20160314-story.html

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/2016-media-issue-donald-trump-press-pen-campaign-reporters-campaign-lewandowski-schreckinger-213824

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/donald-trump-banned-publications

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/03/on_the_trail_with_donald_trump_s_disgusting_press_corps.html



But, you know, just keep repeating it!

I forgot about the press pens

they body slammed that one reporter for stepping a bit outside the pen a while back