I do not make the claim that anybody by the name of Jesus is the son of God talked about in the bible and referenced in the many many many historical accounts we see today. How is that my logic? I have never taken that stance. So no, just because someone holds the name Zeus it doesn't automatically take them from a fictional character to a non fictional one.

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Jun 12 2026 03:56am

The magical jesus has 0 historical evidence so you cannot make a claim that he existed.
The non magical guy named jesus is referenced independently only one time. A small footnote from Tacitus who never met or was even born to witness, pure secondhand information basically like saying 85 years ago I heard this guy existed. Yet based on this one tiny piece alone christians love saying he is 100% real somehow considered irrefutable and very credible evidence. Literally no one else at a time he was supposedly alive actually wrote about him its as if he never existed in the first place.

Why is it so hard for you to consider the possibility he was made up?

Almost the entire bible doesn't match any of other historical events that supposedly happened.
No Exodus, no worldwide flood, no magic garden, no Adam and Eve, no Moses, no Abraham, no King Solomon, no talking donkeys, almost nothing matches up with the real world. Its as if it was all made up from a small region in middle east and nowhere else on the planet. Just like (drum roll) thousands other religions.

This post was edited by addone on Jun 12 2026 04:46am

Jesus is not mentioned 1 time in history. You need to take into account all current documents and make the claim they are all fake in your opinion. You don't get to pick and choose.

So try again and reference all the times Jesus was talked about through both Christian and Non-Christian texts and then disagree with them.

what about harry potter?

Thats why I brought up Zeus because just about everyone knows who that is and been talked about billion of times. If you are willing to accept magical jesus based on other people talking about him then you must accept Zeus equally. Otherwise you are being impartial and contradictory.

Jesus is mentioned 1 time "independently" from a secondhand source that can be counted as very weak evidence. The rest of the people who talk about jesus are doing so because they believe the bible or believe Tacitus testimony as a legitimate evidence. However a mere belief or faith in something doesn't warrant truth. Referencing the bible is circular logic all you are doing is accepting without verifying or proving if something is true or not.



Christians are hypocritical and contradicting with their beliefs. Believe in magic and talking snakes in one book but not the other.





This post was edited by addone on Jun 12 2026 03:30pm

Zeus and Jesus do not fall in the same category. We are discussing fictional and non-fictional. Your desperate attempt to say they are both fairytales is incorrect.

Stick to the facts and make your disagreements.

We know for a fact Jesus existed. Whether you believe in him being the son of God is your decision to make. Discussing fairytales are doing you no good in your argument.

Harry Potter also claims to be a fairytale story backed by actors and actresses.

The bible is represented as truth and your examples do not make this claim.

This post was edited by D_urRRR on Jun 12 2026 03:43pm

Bible isn't fact just because you say it is doesn't make it so. You need to be able to prove it. You have failed repeatedly.
Try bringing receipts next time grifting isn't going to work here.

you should run up on this guy and ask him about harry potter .........that would be funny
Atheist Refuted by Agnostic Historian (Bart Ehrman) on the Existence of Jesus.

You're right, it's not because I said so. It's because it is so and I learned that truth when I was 22 years old. Now I continue to see God's goodness in my life daily through personal relationship with him. Facts don't care about your feelings addone. Fact is Jesus Christ existed, died for you on the cross, and get to experience his truth as we minister to anyone in need of learning about his word.

If you read the first opening Chapters of the Book of Luke, you will learn that his account is based on EYE WITNESSES. The other Gospels were written by the Disciples of Jesus who were certainly there while He walked this Earth.

Further to this:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=690782874#p690782874

All that you need to believe in God is The Bible. You do not need The Bible + God appearing to addone. Adding anything is blasphemous as God has provided sufficient evidence so we do not need Him to appear again.

Besides we have already established that the real problem is that you do not believe in the concept of sin. That is the root of the problem. Your excuse that you come up with is merely a symptom.

Do you really want to know what The LORD cares about? I'll give you a hint by highlighting it for you.

Ezekiel 36:16-23 ESV

16 The word of the Lord came to me: 17 “Son of man, when the house of Israel lived in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds. Their ways before me were like the uncleanness of a woman in her menstrual impurity. 18 So I poured out my wrath upon them for the blood that they had shed in the land, for the idols with which they had defiled it. 19 I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed through the countries. In accordance with their ways and their deeds I judged them. 20 But when they came to the nations, wherever they came, they profaned my holy name, in that people said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they had to go out of his land.’ 21 But I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they came.

22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.