Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 8 2021 01:35pm)

So if a college wants to take race into consideration when determining admission, and they prefer to admit white applicants over black ones, this will also be constitutional?

What is this "compelling reason" you speak of, and what benefit does a college get from "diverse populations"? What if a college thinks it will benefit more by admitting mainly white students, will this be Ok with the courts, too?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 8 2021 04:31pm)

That's a decent one, so is being Black, or a rich white liberal woman who shops at Whole Foods.



Not for the most part. Not all rules are created equal though are they.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 8 2021 01:44pm)

Colleges benefit from a population that isn't homogenous, thus creating opportunities to both connect with and learn from people who have had quite notably different life experiences than yourself--race being merely one consideration among many that may lend itself to such diversity. It's not simply 'preferring' to admit one race over another.

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Since affirmative action is utilized to promote college diversity, I think one would be hard-pressed to find instances where White people's whiteness was being factored in since White people historically make up the largest group of college attendees in the US.

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 8 2021 01:58pm)

Neither you nor the courts get to decide for colleges what they benefit from. If they want to be homogenous, then guess what? That's fully within their rights.

And I don't care if you don't like the word "prefer". You know what I mean. If race can become a factor that influences admission, then colleges should be free to give more consideration to white applicants to black ones. Of course, this is simply another way of saying that they prefer white students, but for some reason, you chose to argue semantics with me. As if it would make a difference. Newsflash: "take race into consideration" is just a euphemism for, if two applicants have roughly the same grades, pick the one that's black. And in some cases, when a white applicant is clearly superior to a black one, pick the black one anyway.

You are being an apologist for this racially based preferential treatment in college admission. I hope you realize it. What if colleges don't want diversity? What if they want more white students, or in some cases, they want white students exclusively? Would this be Ok with you?

Pretty sure what your answer is going to be. You keep making excuses for these blatantly discriminatory practices. You are also for the government telling colleges what to consider when trying to determine admission, even though (some) colleges are private entities and should in theory be able to do whatever they want. You are a lackey to dictators.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 8 2021 02:05pm)

Colleges are not forced to use affirmative action considerations in their admissions practices.

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 8 2021 02:08pm)

Not sure why this is significant. Yea sure, colleges are technically not forced to use these considerations, but if they don't, they will be sued and then the courts step in and tell them they have to hire certain students.

That makes it so much better.

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 8 2021 04:48pm)

Vaccine mandates are for the safety of yourself and others, speed limits are no different. You may insist that you can drive perfectly safe at 50 over the speed limit but your individual input doesn't play a role in determining the rules because the rules are largely in place to ensure the best outcomes for all.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 8 2021 02:12pm)

This is simply not true.

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 8 2021 02:14pm)

Ok so tell me what the case is. Do colleges get sued for not using affirmative action practices in admission processes?