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If ideologies include fact-based claims then double checking my facts are right definitely does count.

Since you said specifically before that double checking my facts isn't the same as questioning my ideology I assumed we were specifically talking about the parts of ideology that aren't contingent on facts.

Still, I'd say virtually all ideologies, even those of superiority, aren't fact based. When people say X group is superior to Y, they usually aren't basing it on facts. Like, they might cite facts, but it's obvious if you've ever talked to somebody actually espousing these ideologies that they are using those "facts" to justify their worldview, not as the basis for informing it. The statement "whites are superior to blacks" isn't something that can be measured because it doesn't set a metric. Even if we point out that MLK was a great and smart human, that doesn't matter because they have defined blackness as inferior. That's my opinion anyway.

When I talked about you doing basic fact-checking, I was thinking about facts of the discussion at hand. So for example, if the debate is about female representation in politics, to check when the last state introduced full women's suffrage. You indeed very rarely slip up in this regard.

Then there are of course value or judgement calls which are outside of a true-false categorization, for example the old schism between left and right over whether inequality implies discrimination.

But then there are also key tenets of ideologies which are neither immediately fact-checkable nor categorically unfalsifiable. To give an example, the notion among some parts of the contemporary left that a focus on race rather than class in sociological analysis and political activism will do more to improve the lives of people of color than a focus on material/economic needs. That's a key assumption underlying their ideology, it's not trivial to answer one way or the other, but it's also not a question which eludes an empirical or historical answer. A similar example might be whether policing and law and order policies are a net positive or net negative in underprivileged communities.

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When I talked about you doing basic fact-checking, I was thinking about facts of the discussion at hand. So for example, if the debate is about female representation in politics, to check when the last state introduced full women's suffrage. You indeed very rarely slip up in this regard.

Then there are of course value or judgement calls which are outside of a true-false categorization, for example the old schism between left and right over whether inequality implies discrimination.

But then there are also key tenets of ideologies which are neither immediately fact-checkable nor categorically unfalsifiable. To give an example, the notion among some parts of the contemporary left that a focus on race rather than class in sociological analysis and political activism will do more to improve the lives of people of color than a focus on material/economic needs. That's a key assumption underlying their ideology, it's not trivial to answer one way or the other, but it's also not a question which eludes an empirical or historical answer. A similar example might be whether policing and law and order policies are a net positive or net negative in underprivileged communities.


You're wrong that the left focuses on race rather than social analysis. The reason you think this is because you don't interact much with actual left-wing media or sources. You very obviously get your information about what is important to the left second-hand from right-wing outrage machines (or, obviously, second-hand from them even if you aren't following them directly).

When you say things like this you are actively ignoring that the left pushes for higher minimum wage for everybody, higher corporate taxation, greater wealth distribution, national healthcare, etc. etc. These are all priorities for the left and are not racially bound in any way.

You also seem to be drawing a false dichotomy on the policing vs no policing. Some police presence is expected in our current society. The issue is with over-policing and systemic targeting. We need to solve those two issues for now, and reform the whole system as the larger goal.

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Bringing the topic back to crt, which of the following definitions do you think should be taught in school classes? Most of the racism ive experienced in life has been from brown buddhists so i obviously stick with the first one.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.


RACISM
• Racism = race prejudice + social and institutional power
• Racism = a system of advantage based on race
• Racism = a system of oppression based on race
• Racism = a white supremacy system
Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred, or discrimination.
Racism involves one group having the power to carry out systematic
discrimination through the major institutions of society. By this
definition, only white people can be racist in our society, because only
white people as a group have that power.
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Bringing the topic back to crt, which of the following definitions do you think should be taught in school classes? Most of the racism ive experienced in life has been from brown buddhists so i obviously stick with the first one.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.


RACISM
• Racism = race prejudice + social and institutional power
• Racism = a system of advantage based on race
• Racism = a system of oppression based on race
• Racism = a white supremacy system
Racism is different from racial prejudice, hatred, or discrimination.
Racism involves one group having the power to carry out systematic
discrimination through the major institutions of society. By this
definition, only white people can be racist in our society, because only
white people as a group have that power.


Depends on the class.

Gonna blow conservatives minds real quick.

We can use different definitions for the same word depending on context.

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