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If ideologies include fact-based claims then double checking my facts are right definitely does count.
Since you said specifically before that double checking my facts isn't the same as questioning my ideology I assumed we were specifically talking about the parts of ideology that aren't contingent on facts.
Still, I'd say virtually all ideologies, even those of superiority, aren't fact based. When people say X group is superior to Y, they usually aren't basing it on facts. Like, they might cite facts, but it's obvious if you've ever talked to somebody actually espousing these ideologies that they are using those "facts" to justify their worldview, not as the basis for informing it. The statement "whites are superior to blacks" isn't something that can be measured because it doesn't set a metric. Even if we point out that MLK was a great and smart human, that doesn't matter because they have defined blackness as inferior. That's my opinion anyway.
When I talked about you doing basic fact-checking, I was thinking about facts of the discussion at hand. So for example, if the debate is about female representation in politics, to check when the last state introduced full women's suffrage. You indeed very rarely slip up in this regard.
Then there are of course value or judgement calls which are outside of a true-false categorization, for example the old schism between left and right over whether inequality implies discrimination.
But then there are also key tenets of ideologies which are neither immediately fact-checkable nor categorically unfalsifiable. To give an example, the notion among some parts of the contemporary left that a focus on race rather than class in sociological analysis and political activism will do more to improve the lives of people of color than a focus on material/economic needs. That's a key assumption underlying their ideology, it's not trivial to answer one way or the other, but it's also not a question which eludes an empirical or historical answer. A similar example might be whether policing and law and order policies are a net positive or net negative in underprivileged communities.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 1 2021 12:16am