Quote (IceMage @ Mar 25 2019 11:07am)

Nothing either of you posted refutes the facts I laid out. It doesn't even address them.

Quote (djman72 @ Mar 25 2019 10:36am)

I don't think anyone is against the full report being released. There are some legal issues with confidential testimony that are apparently needing to be worked out. Even the orange man himself wants it to be released, and i'm pretty sure the only people that don't want it released in full is democrats. The narrative will nearly die if it's released in all of it's glory - that's it for collusion.

Bold is a direct contradiction of your previous "MOVE ON" claim. Funny Funny.

Speaking of moving on, where are the democrats going to go after this? What's the new battle cry with 2020 so far away? No collusion and no impeachment. What's the next faux narrative for the remaining year plus? They must pivot, the question is where?

Quote (Brian_D @ Mar 25 2019 01:18pm)

Not 100% on where they should go from here outside of moving on from anything related to russia. One has to wonder if trump being a complete shit human is enough for the public to vote a different way?

He is a horrible person, he lies constantly and acts like a 5 year old. All he cares about is himself. That has to mean something or should anyway.

Quote (djman72 @ Mar 25 2019 11:33am)

Now you're letting your emotions get the best of your argument.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but how bad are/were the democrats in 2016 that they let this happen? They couldn't beat THIS?

Quote (Brian_D @ Mar 25 2019 01:36pm)

They made a mistake in underestimating Trump, I did too. Most people thought it was a joke.

They should focus on making positive steps forward and come together as a party with a clear message. That is one thing the republicans have imo is unity more than the dems.

At this rate I expect a second trump term.

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 25 2019 01:07pm)

Nothing either of you posted refutes the facts I laid out. It doesn't even address them.

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 25 2019 01:45pm)

Dude, you're operating on the premise that the warrant was even legally obtained, which it wasn't. All else after that is inconsequential.

Quote (djman72 @ 25 Mar 2019 14:40)

I expect Trump to win somewhat handily against every democrat but Biden. I would agree that (R) has a bit more unity than (D) but not that much. Democrats have the uniting factor of Trump, but that's about were everything falls apart. Republicans still have "never trumpers" so maybe it's a wash.

I honestly don't see any of the other candidates besides Biden giving Trump any problems at the current pace. It's a pretty lackluster field.

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 25 2019 01:51pm)

That's where we started. The assertion was the warrant was illegal. You need to use evidence to establish that.

Quote (IceMage @ Mar 25 2019 12:07pm)

The illegal FISA talking point doesn't even make sense. Few things:

- Steele was a reputable source for the FBI who had provided valuable intel in the past
- Page was surveilled by the FBI in 2014 for his contacts with Russian spies
- Page wasn't even on the campaign anymore when the FISA warrant was put in
- the FISA application said that Steele's research was funded by a political group
- the FISA on Page wasn't even the start of the investigation

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 25 2019 01:59pm)

Steele was retired... easy to buy off.
The Steele was funded by the Dems.
Dems>Steele>Russians

Ergo, the warrant was obtained under false pretenses. The Dems, aka Hillary at least were conspiring with the Russians, not Trump.


And... on top of that, Page got busted for text messages. Didn't matter that she was no longer there, it's what she said.



You're gonna need to go play in a different sandbox. The republicans got this one. ^^