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Feb 27 2018 10:09am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ 27 Feb 2018 17:05)
Next election not scheduled til 2022 and highly doubt there's enough tory rebels to get the 2/3rds needed for a no confidence vote tbh.


oh, this means he's just trying to take down theresa may ?
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Feb 27 2018 01:12pm
it's very obviously a move meant to deepen the divides within the tories. he tries to add fuel to the (dumpster) fire between hard brexiteer tories and soft brexiteer tories. Corbyn's plan is for these intra-tory-tensions to escalate to the point where the hard brexiteers overthrow May and trigger a new election. In that case, Corbyn would have a good chance of becoming the new PM.
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Feb 27 2018 01:15pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 27 Feb 2018 20:12)
it's very obviously a move meant to deepen the divides within the tories. he tries to add fuel to the (dumpster) fire between hard brexiteer tories and soft brexiteer tories. Corbyn's plan is for these intra-tory-tensions to escalate to the point where the hard brexiteers overthrow May and trigger a new election. In that case, Corbyn would have a good chance of becoming the new PM.


really looking forward to the united socialist republics of great britain
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Feb 27 2018 01:54pm
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Feb 27 2018 10:02am)
The biggest thing to point out here is that it isn't THE customs Union, but A customs union. Reads a bit like cherry picking to me.


Yeah but it would essentially be the customs union, they aren't gonna offer us any better and we wouldn't be able to negotiate better either.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 27 2018 08:12pm)
it's very obviously a move meant to deepen the divides within the tories. he tries to add fuel to the (dumpster) fire between hard brexiteer tories and soft brexiteer tories. Corbyn's plan is for these intra-tory-tensions to escalate to the point where the hard brexiteers overthrow May and trigger a new election. In that case, Corbyn would have a good chance of becoming the new PM.


Good analysis and you are correct.

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really looking forward to the united socialist republics of great britain


My finger is hovering over the button lad

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Mar 4 2018 06:05pm
No italian election thread?

Oh well, I guess this is the next best thing. Exit polls point towards a a victory for the centre-left coallition, but far from absolute majority. The euroskeptic anti-establishment big-tent populist M5S would be second (close to first in votes, but not so much in seats), the centre-left coallition would be 3rd (results would confirm the meltdown the previous polls predicted, mostly due to a highly unpopular candidate), and the left/farleft LeU would get a marginal representation.

Centre-right: 36-36.5% (112-152 seats)
M5S: 32.2-33.6% (75-115 seats)
Centre-left: 22.4-23.4% (57-97 seats)
LeU: 3.3-3.5% (2-6 seats)

Let's see what the final results are, but if exit polls are correct then it seems like it will be hard to establish a stable government. Even though the main party in the centre-right coallition is in favour of the EU, there are several parties in the coallition that are euroskeptic (mostly due to disagreement with the EU's immigration and refugee policies), so considering that M5S might have gotten around a third of the votes, the anti-EU sentiment has managed has got a good result.
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Quote (WNxIrvine @ 27 Feb 2018 16:05)
Next election not scheduled til 2022 and highly doubt there's enough tory rebels to get the 2/3rds needed for a no confidence vote tbh.


Parliament will have to vote on the eventual eu deal. By creating a definite divergence in policy to May he has created a space for those in opposition to a 'hard brexit'. If parliament votes down the deal May comes up with it will be taken as a vote for Corbyn's brexit likey forcing an election.

It strengthens and unifies those against a hard brexit. It's a clever move. The opposition needs to offer something different on the biggest issue of the day and now it does. Now every vote against May can be portrayed as a vote for Corbyn as the only viable alternative.
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Mar 5 2018 10:18am
Quote (zarkadon @ 5 Mar 2018 01:05)
No italian election thread?

Oh well, I guess this is the next best thing. Exit polls point towards a a victory for the centre-left coallition, but far from absolute majority. The euroskeptic anti-establishment big-tent populist M5S would be second (close to first in votes, but not so much in seats), the centre-left coallition would be 3rd (results would confirm the meltdown the previous polls predicted, mostly due to a highly unpopular candidate), and the left/farleft LeU would get a marginal representation.

Centre-right: 36-36.5% (112-152 seats)
M5S: 32.2-33.6% (75-115 seats)
Centre-left: 22.4-23.4% (57-97 seats)
LeU: 3.3-3.5% (2-6 seats)

Let's see what the final results are, but if exit polls are correct then it seems like it will be hard to establish a stable government. Even though the main party in the centre-right coallition is in favour of the EU, there are several parties in the coallition that are euroskeptic (mostly due to disagreement with the EU's immigration and refugee policies), so considering that M5S might have gotten around a third of the votes, the anti-EU sentiment has managed has got a good result.


whatever they are doing next, i think italy is slowly approaching a point, where politicians have to get their shit together and do what is right
just yesterday there was an interesting article in the media about a young italian who is working as a nurse in germany now
she tried to get a job at home, but there were 30.000 applications for 40 jobs ffs :lol:

the euro will collapse, if they dont fix their economy, unemployment and debt problem
the new german government has officially declared that they are happy to transfer dozends of additional billions to the EU, but italy is way too big to make another greece out of it
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Mar 5 2018 10:19am
Quote (ampoo @ Mar 5 2018 06:18pm)
whatever they are doing next, i think italy is slowly approaching a point, where politicians have to get their shit together and do what is right
just yesterday there was an interesting article in the media about a young italian who is working as a nurse in germany now
she tried to get a job at home, but there were 30.000 applications for 40 jobs ffs :lol:

the euro will collapse, if they dont fix their economy, unemployment and debt problem
the new german government has officially declared that they are happy to transfer dozends of additional billions to the EU, but italy is way too big to make another greece out of it


#itexit?
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Mar 5 2018 10:27am
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#itexit?


well, to let italy leave the euro currency at least to help the economy recover would be a decent idea
not gonna happen though, many well known economists have suggested the same for greece and it was decided to make greece a black hole for european tax money
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Mar 5 2018 10:38am
Quote (ampoo @ Mar 5 2018 04:27pm)
well, to let italy leave the euro currency at least to help the economy recover would be a decent idea
not gonna happen though, many well known economists have suggested the same for greece and it was decided to make greece a black hole for european tax money


It's realistically not really an option to have a Euro country go back to its currency. Look at how much fuss the Brexit is, and then remind yourself that they had loads of special favours and were not in the Eurozone.
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