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Jul 10 2014 08:44am
Quote (Yakir @ Jul 10 2014 10:33am)
If you would provide weapons and ammo for terrorist attacks you country will destroy your house also dont worry.
As far as I can see , their citizens provide them places to hide weapons and ammo or rockets , so why wouldnt Israel destroy these weapons and ammo?
People like you should come live with those animal's and then you will be sorry for even thinking to call them people.



wow i hope you represent a very small % of Israel population


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Quote (Yakir @ 10 Jul 2014 14:20)
... "Hamas will not recognize Israel"[/B], adding "this is a red line that cannot be crossed".[27] ...


and who was never prepared to openly negotiate with hamas even at times when hamas indicated that they would not object against a recognition of the state of israel?
and hamas's position is a matter of keeping a negtiation point and not giving israel everything what israel wants without getting something back
it's called politics and diplomacy, eg inform yourself at http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3249568,00.html

guess you haven't heard about the calls by european jews on israel to change it's behaviour
because the actions of israel risk to incite more anti-semitism and potentially endanger the very existence of israel itself

must be nice to live in a country in which the press/media is/are just as free as the press in iran or china
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Jul 10 2014 08:48am
Quote (Yakir @ Jul 10 2014 09:43am)
Already spent a year in my live in Gaza strip so no thanks.
and your peaceful solution is that Israel give back lands she conqured back in 1967 , why should we do that?
Also read that page on Hamas in wikipedia and you will see that every year they change their mind about peace with Israel.
You only care about the Palestine citizens , you forget that Israel citizens suffered for years without you saying anything .


I wasn't alive to witness Israeli citizens suffering, I was born in the late 1970's.

I always hope it is just a rogue state doing this thing and the people of Israel feel conflicted about it, which is why I've always supported the state of Israel in the past. This comment may have nullified that sentiment.

But then I see daily abuses by the IDF...can look on mainstream news sources and see rooms full of dead men, women, and children of people who live in abject poverty and have absolutely nothing who were murdered by a technologically advance nation with a bleeding edge military because they think that it is okay to go around with tanks and occupy area like it is Poland or Ethiopia in the 1940's. It is shocking to me that the largest victims of fascism in the past are its biggest proponents today.

How many Israeli children died today from a foreign power? Is this really self-defense then?

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Already spent a year in my live in Gaza strip so no thanks.
and your peaceful solution is that Israel give back lands she conqured back in 1967 , why should we do that?
Also read that page on Hamas in wikipedia and you will see that every year they change their mind about peace with Israel.
You only care about the Palestine citizens , you forget that Israel citizens suffered for years without you saying anything .


to stop the war

every time that solution comes back to Irael extremist you guy dodge by talking about hamas

the ball is on your side, give them back there land and the world will be all behind you if they continue to attack




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Quote (2sexy4u @ Jul 10 2014 05:44pm)
wow i hope you represent a very small % of Israel population


Every person that trying to kill me just because Im a Jew is an animal as far as I can see it.
and I really hope you not represent anyone besides yourself .
Quote (brmv @ Jul 10 2014 05:45pm)
and who was never prepared to openly negotiate with hamas even at times when hamas indicated that they would not object against a recognition of the state of israel?
and hamas's position is a matter of keeping a negtiation point and not giving israel everything what israel wants without getting something back
it's called politics and diplomacy, eg inform yourself at http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3249568,00.html

guess you haven't heard about the calls by european jews on israel to change it's behaviour
because the actions of israel risk to incite more anti-semitism and potentially endanger the very existence of israel itself

must be nice to live in a country in which the press/media is/are just as free as the press in iran or china


Did you heard about the Muslim in France that hunting Jews for over a year now? for no fucking reason , only because they are Jews.
The media and press in Israel supporing Palestine and not the Israeli , they provide photos and videos on what done to the Palestines but not provide what done to the Israelis.
Yet again Israel should not give any lands just because Hamas demands it, hell I demand half of India to be called Israel and Im going to bomb India till I get what I wish for.
Hamas are bunch of stupid kids who cant understand anything in diplomacy .

Quote (2sexy4u @ Jul 10 2014 05:48pm)
to stop the war

every time that solution comes back to Irael extremist you guy dodge by talking about hamas

the ball is on your side, give them back there land and the world will be all behind you if they continue to attack



These lands were counquered by Israel in 1967 from Jordan, was never belong to the Palestine , not going to give it back.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promised_Land
Even here I cant see the word Palestine , this picture was take from the Bible discreption about the "Promised land" to the Jews.
Show me any evidance that there was a country called Palestine , they have currecy ? they have an army ? they have an history before 1948 ?

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Did you heard about the Muslim in France that hunting Jews for over a year now? for no fucking reason , only because they are Jews.
The media and press in Israel supporing Palestine and not the Israeli , they provide photos and videos on what done to the Palestines but not provide what done to the Israelis.
Yet again Israel should not give any lands just because Hamas demands it, hell I demand half of India to be called Israel and Im going to bomb India till I get what I wish for.
Hamas are bunch of stupid kids who cant understand anything in diplomacy .


There is jew haters all around the world, and this not tolerable at all.

But is you want to get media being on your side you must first give back the land you stole to them, but you don't want to to that



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Quote (2sexy4u @ Jul 10 2014 05:57pm)
There is jew haters all around the world, and this not tolerable at all.

But is you want to get media being on your side you must first give back the land you stole to them, but you don't want to to that


Israel didnt stole anything .
There was no country name Palestine before WWII , WWI and so on.
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Quote (Yakir @ Jul 10 2014 10:53am)
Every person that trying to kill me just because Im a Jew is an animal as far as I can see it.
and I really hope you not represent anyone besides yourself .


Did you heard about the Muslim in France that hunting Jews for over a year now? for no fucking reason , only because they are Jews.
The media and press in Israel supporing Palestine and not the Israeli , they provide photos and videos on what done to the Palestines but not provide what done to the Israelis.
Yet again Israel should not give any lands just because Hamas demands it, hell I demand half of India to be called Israel and Im going to bomb India till I get what I wish for.
Hamas are bunch of stupid kids who cant understand anything in diplomacy .




These lands were counquered by Israel in 1967 from Jordan, was never belong to the Palestine , not going to give it back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Greater_Israel_map.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promised_Land
Even here I cant see the word Palestine , this picture was take from the Bible discreption about the "Promised land" to the Jews.
Show me any evidance that there was a country called Palestine , they have currecy ? they have an army ? they have an history before 1948 ?


only Israel and USA don't recognize Palestine as a state, will be Israel alone shortly (if not already idk)

and try Palestine instead of "promise land" to have right result, nice try too

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Jul 10 2014 09:13am
Quote (Yakir @ 10 Jul 2014 14:59)
Israel didnt stole anything .
There was no country name Palestine before WWII , WWI and so on.


where there people on the lands which israel was given? yes or no?
was land taken away from those people without compensation? yes or no?

what would you do if someone comes into your house or apartment and claims it is his, keeping all your possessions?

and just in case you ask, the british have to answer for that just as much as israel
ie for the borders of 1967
for the rest it is all in the court of israel
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Jul 10 2014 09:14am
Quote (2sexy4u @ 10 Jul 2014 17:00)
only Israel and USA don't recognize Palestine as a state, will be Israel alone shortly (if not already idk)

and try Palestine instead of "promise land" to have right result, nice try too


You are arguing about a subject that just justify the our cause I don't see where you are trying to go with it???
and again there was no Palestinian "PEOPLE" before the Israeli & ARAB war.

Quote (Yakir @ 10 Jul 2014 16:59)
Israel didnt stole anything .
There was no country name Palestine before WWII , WWI and so on.


No Yakir... Not just there was not country name Palestine.
There was no other state on this land but a 3 Jewish states in the history of the HUMAN RACE.

Quote (2sexy4u @ 10 Jul 2014 16:57)
There is jew haters all around the world, and this not tolerable at all.

But is you want to get media being on your side you must first give back the land you stole to them, but you don't want to to that


before I get the media on my side I should be able to protect myself.
Protecting an 8 KM strip between the Sea and west bank isn't realistic.
So once our enemies become peaceful and reach their had for a Sincere Peace we will return the land.
Media can choose what ever side they want they already proved their hypocrisy when we left GAZA.

Quote (brmv @ 10 Jul 2014 16:45)
and who was never prepared to openly negotiate with hamas even at times when hamas indicated that they would not object against a recognition of the state of israel?
and hamas's position is a matter of keeping a negtiation point and not giving israel everything what israel wants without getting something back
it's called politics and diplomacy, eg inform yourself at http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3249568,00.html

guess you haven't heard about the calls by european jews on israel to change it's behaviour
because the actions of israel risk to incite more anti-semitism and potentially endanger the very existence of israel itself

must be nice to live in a country in which the press/media is/are just as free as the press in iran or china


We are willing to compromise about anything for peace like I mention we did it before we will do it again.
When they organization standing in-front of us will acknowledge our right to exist.

Quote (Skinned @ 10 Jul 2014 16:15)
They lose and are occupied for 50 years while the nation who systematically oppresses and exploits uses their invasion that happened almost 50 years ago as justification for all future war crimes against that population?


how could they loose 50 years ago when they were announced only on 1988?
weird....
Quote (Skinned @ 10 Jul 2014 16:38)
I've always supported a peaceful two-state solution but I'm starting to see their point.

Maybe you should go live with those people, see what you're doing to them through your state, then get back to me.


you supported 2 state solution... L O L !

Quote (Skinned @ 10 Jul 2014 16:15)
They lose and are occupied for 50 years while the nation who systematically oppresses and exploits uses their invasion that happened almost 50 years ago as justification for all future war crimes against that population?


how could they loose 50 years ago when they were announced only on 1988?
weird....



My 10 cents:
The problem with this conflict is that the New World (Israel) is fighting against the old world (Arabs, Muslims).
The old world want Sharia Law against freedom in Israel.
How can you support people who beheaded other people for not thinking the same, who stone to death women who were raped and beaten, who hang people who open their mouth and say what they think.
Who Rape, Kill, Shoot, beheaded and stone death Gay people or anything else is different then them?
and you ask me to give those people a land which is not theirs and put me at risk?
sorry but no....


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Quote (brmv @ 10 Jul 2014 17:13)
where there people on the lands which israel was given? yes or no?
was land taken away from those people without compensation? yes or no?

what would you do if someone comes into your house or apartment and claims it is his, keeping all your possessions?

and just in case you ask, the british have to answer for that just as much as israel
ie for the borders of 1967
for the rest it is all in the court of israel


You mean what if someone would have entered the house you entered and claims it?

This is no mans land:
It was conquered by the Jordanian and then by Israelis.
and It always had JEWS within it.
so who's owns the land? if there was no other nation in these areas besides Jewish states?

I am more then willing to go back to the borders of 1967 once I will have some to talk to.
since you can't make a conversion with this:


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