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No, silly, that's IDDQD.

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No, silly, that's IDDQD.


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O SHIT I REMEMBER THAT LOL

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I did read it, and the only book that had the clout to directly say Jesus is God is John.


Since they are all inspired by the Holy Spirit and written by the actual eyewitnesses, they all have equal clout, but beside the point, John says it, so why doubt it if you believe the book of John?

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Since they are all inspired by the Holy Spirit and written by the actual eyewitnesses, they all have equal clout, but beside the point, John says it, so why doubt it if you believe the book of John?


Prove that they were written by actual eyewitnesses. The majority of scholars think quite the opposite. And they do not all have equal clout, for instance, out of the synoptic gospels Mark is the earliest and, one could say, most accurate. John is a peice of shit for a Gospel and could have even been written as a refutation of the Gospel of Thomas. So yeah.
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Prove that they were written by actual eyewitnesses. The majority of scholars think quite the opposite.  And they do not all have equal clout, for instance, out of the synoptic gospels Mark is the earliest and, one could say, most accurate.  John is a peice of !@#$ for a Gospel and could have even been written as a refutation of the Gospel of Thomas. So yeah.


So no. Only a liberal scholar would make such baseless, unfounded claims. Most accept the truth that all scripture was written before 70- 90 AD.

Dates of composition
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The earliest works which came to be part of the New Testament are the letters of the Apostle Paul. The Gospel of Mark has been dated from as early as the AD 50s, although most scholars date it between the range of 65 and 72.[63] Many scholars believe that Matthew and Luke were written after the composition of Mark as they make use of Mark's content. Therefore they are generally dated later than Mark, although how much later is debated. Matthew has been dated between 70 and 85. Luke has been placed within 80 to 95. However, a few scholars date the Gospel of Luke much earlier, as Luke indicates in the book of Acts that he has already written the Gospel of Luke prior to writing the introduction to Acts.

The earliest of the books of the New Testament was First Thessalonians, an epistle of Paul, written probably in 51, or possibly Galatians in 49 according to one of two theories of its writing. Of the pseudepigraphical epistles, scholars tend to place them somewhere between 70 and 150, with Second Peter usually being the latest.[citation needed]

In the 1830s German scholars of the Tübingen school tried to date the books as late as the 3rd century, but the discovery of some New Testament manuscripts and fragments from the 2nd and 3rd centuries, one of which dates as early as 125 (Papyrus 52), disproves a 3rd century date of composition for any book now in the New Testament. Additionally, a letter to the church at Corinth in the name of Clement of Rome in 95 quotes from 10 of the 27 books of the New Testament, and a letter to the church at Philippi in the name of Polycarp in 120 quotes from 16 books. Therefore, some of the books of the New Testament were at least in a first-draft stage, though there is negligible evidence in these quotes or among biblical manuscripts for the existence of different early drafts. Other books were probably not completed until later, assuming they must have been quoted by Clement or Polycarp. There are trivial discrepancies between manuscripts; the majority of the errors are clearly errors of transcription or very minor in scope.

However, John A. T. Robinson and other scholars argued for a much earlier dating, based on the fact that the New Testament writings make no mention of (1) the Great Fire of Rome (A.D. 64), one of the most destructive fires in Roman history, which Emperor Nero blamed on the Christians, and led to the first major persecution of believers; (2) the final years and deaths of Paul, who wrote most of the epistles, Peter, whom Catholics recognize as the first pope, and the other apostles; (3) Nero's suicide (A.D. 68); or (4) the total destruction of the temple in Jerusalem (A.D. 70), which Robinson thought should certainly have appeared, considering the importance of that event for Jews and Christians of that time. Jesus prophesies its total destruction in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but the fulfillment of that prophecy never appears anywhere in the New Testament. Therefore, Robinson claimed that every book which would come to form the New Testament was written before AD. 70.[64]




Wiki even confirms the writers and dates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament



Where the New Testiment came from:

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=D76LD7NX
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So no.  Only a liberal scholar would make such baseless, unfounded claims.  Most accept the truth that all scripture was written before 70- 90 AD.

Dates of composition
See individual book articles for more detail
The earliest works which came to be part of the New Testament are the letters of the Apostle Paul. The Gospel of Mark has been dated from as early as the AD 50s, although most scholars date it between the range of 65 and 72.[63] Many scholars believe that Matthew and Luke were written after the composition of Mark as they make use of Mark's content. Therefore they are generally dated later than Mark, although how much later is debated. Matthew has been dated between 70 and 85. Luke has been placed within 80 to 95. However, a few scholars date the Gospel of Luke much earlier, as Luke indicates in the book of Acts that he has already written the Gospel of Luke prior to writing the introduction to Acts.

The earliest of the books of the New Testament was First Thessalonians, an epistle of Paul, written probably in 51, or possibly Galatians in 49 according to one of two theories of its writing. Of the pseudepigraphical epistles, scholars tend to place them somewhere between 70 and 150, with Second Peter usually being the latest.[citation needed]

In the 1830s German scholars of the Tübingen school tried to date the books as late as the 3rd century, but the discovery of some New Testament manuscripts and fragments from the 2nd and 3rd centuries, one of which dates as early as 125 (Papyrus 52), disproves a 3rd century date of composition for any book now in the New Testament. Additionally, a letter to the church at Corinth in the name of Clement of Rome in 95 quotes from 10 of the 27 books of the New Testament, and a letter to the church at Philippi in the name of Polycarp in 120 quotes from 16 books. Therefore, some of the books of the New Testament were at least in a first-draft stage, though there is negligible evidence in these quotes or among biblical manuscripts for the existence of different early drafts. Other books were probably not completed until later, assuming they must have been quoted by Clement or Polycarp. There are trivial discrepancies between manuscripts; the majority of the errors are clearly errors of transcription or very minor in scope.

However, John A. T. Robinson and other scholars argued for a much earlier dating, based on the fact that the New Testament writings make no mention of (1) the Great Fire of Rome (A.D. 64), one of the most destructive fires in Roman history, which Emperor Nero blamed on the Christians, and led to the first major persecution of believers; (2) the final years and deaths of Paul, who wrote most of the epistles, Peter, whom Catholics recognize as the first pope, and the other apostles; (3) Nero's suicide (A.D. 68); or (4) the total destruction of the temple in Jerusalem (A.D. 70), which Robinson thought should certainly have appeared, considering the importance of that event for Jews and Christians of that time. Jesus prophesies its total destruction in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but the fulfillment of that prophecy never appears anywhere in the New Testament. Therefore, Robinson claimed that every book which would come to form the New Testament was written before AD. 70.[64]




Wiki even confirms the writers and dates:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament



Where the New Testiment came from: 

http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=D76LD7NX


And how is a Gospel written anywhere after 60AD an eyewitness to Jesus?
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