https://twitter.com/CharlieDeMar/status/1098335299829145600

on tape

the little sauerkraut freebaser tries so hard to do so but his vile tendencies always make themselves clear

see, that's the point you and like-minded people dont get.

refusing to grant a group of people, in this case LGBTs, privileges and special treatment does NOT constitute "discrimination".
furthermore, there is an important difference between "discrimination" and "criminalization".

for someone who likes accusing others of "lacking nuance" as much as you do, it is quite staggering how hard it seems for you to understand this.

again, where do you see me making the point that trump is "discriminating" against them? you are the one who's lacking the nuance here, you're the one who's strawmanning hard in order to avoid the FACTS. again, trump's actions and policies regarding the lgbt community is to strip many of their previously granted PROTECTIONS (you can be a hack and re-frame them as 'privileges' and 'special treatments' to imply they were unreasonable measures to elevate them over people not belonging to that community and rationalise trump's approach, but that doesn't change the facts about his policies).

so again, no one is suggesting that trump is as bad as iran or saudi-arabia when it comes to lgbt rights, not even close - no one is suggesting he's actively discriminating against them (apart from the military ban) - but he's also not particularly progressive on the issue as proven by the FACT that he did away with protections against discrimination and efforts to research / understand / and include those communities better.

so please, go around bragging how he's better than muslim fundamentalists, but please spare me the 'fighter for lgbt rights' narrative...

https://twitter.com/AJGuglielmi/status/1098345941541797890
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-police-jussie-smollett-considered-suspect-his-report-hate-crime-n973036

"Jussie Smollett is now officially classified as a suspect in a criminal investigation by #ChicagoPolice for filing a false police report (Class 4 felony). Detectives are currently presenting evidence before a Cook County Grand Jury," Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi tweeted.

you: "Trump is rolling back protections against discrimination"
also you: "where do you see me making the point that trump is 'discriminating' against them?"



btw: I never claimed that Trump was a fighter for lgbt rights, if you go back a page or two, you can actually see me calling out the hypocrisy of this administration using this angle of attack.



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in general, I think the key disagreement in discussions about LGBT issues is how the demands of the activists are perceived: calls for things like gay marriage, transgender bathrooms, admission of troubled personalities to the armed forces, gender-neutral language and so on - are they calls for an end of discrimination, or are they calls for special treatment?

the political right thinks these calls are the latter, while the political left thinks they're the former. this is also the fundamental point where we disagree. from my point of view, the key nuance is not the difference between "active discrimination" and "passive enabling of discrimination by removing protections", it's that I consider these things as unjustified special treatment instead of protections against discrimination.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 20 2019 04:38pm

him rolling back protections is a FACT, i linked you a wiki article that itself has links to reports about his policy.
YOU are the one who insists that this is not the same as actively discriminating, and i would agree on that, but then again i never claimed it in the first place.

you can't have your cake and eat it, on the one hand claim that stripping protections is not the same as discriminating and also insist that i claimed he discriminated by pointing out he rolled back many of their protections...

what kind of retarded plan was this, and how did it take more than a few days to unravel?

If he does something that ends up resulting in less violence against people that are subjected to a lot of danger and violence I dont care if he and pence have F bomb insult competitions on bowling night.

feds also now suspect that jussie was involved in the hate mail letter that he said was sent to him the week before the "attack"
theory was he was mad the "hate letter" didn't get enough media attention so the fake attack was the next plan