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Aug 28 2023 05:08pm
Quote (El1te @ Aug 28 2023 03:56pm)
I think we disagree on definitions. I see atheism as the distinct believe in no gods/God (atheism)

I agree there are different levels of believe, in terms oflack of beliefit ranges from agnosticism (mild, just fine) -> atheism (moderate, not a big deal) -> anti-theism (extreme, scum of the earth people)


the "lack of belief " bullchit was invented because atheists were losing the argument again. its an attempt to have a rebuttal that cant be challenged.
hitch the weasel tried ambushed that chit on william lane craig in a debate, craig said "why dont you just call yourself a smatheist" lol the expression on what is usually hitchens poker face had me rolling. lol i still get a chuckle out of that memory.

"lack of belief" is just stealing from agnostic

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Aug 28 2023 05:09pm
Quote (El1te @ Aug 29 2023 12:56am)
I think we disagree on definitions. I see atheism as the distinct believe in no gods/God (atheism)

I agree there are different levels of believe, in terms of lack of belief it ranges from agnosticism (mild, just fine) -> atheism (moderate, not a big deal) -> anti-theism (extreme, scum of the earth people)


Some atheists are anti-theists, some are agnostics. Some are all three. You can call me all of those or none of those, but my position is the position of 95% of atheists I personally know, which is the absence of a believe in gods because of an absence of evidence pointing to that explanation.
God is never the best explanation for anything, most of the time its not even the worst explanation. Its no explanation.

So I dont have a reason to believe any of those claims.
Doesnt mean I myself claim that gods could not exist. I just have no reason to believe they do.
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Aug 28 2023 05:13pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 29 2023 01:02am)
that would be agnostic. 'atheist are always screeching "NO GOD" "NO GOD" REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


I am an atheist and I disagree with you on that. That was easy. Never said NO GOD REEEEE.

Oh I didnt know atheists made the claim of macro evolution, I thought it was science. My bad.

And yes, I said it Atheists do not discover things. Atheism is just a disbelief in god claims, its not something you study in harvard or something.

I think you are a bit confused, right?

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Aug 28 2023 05:15pm
Quote (Modulok2405 @ Aug 28 2023 04:09pm)
Some atheists are anti-theists, some are agnostics. Some are all three. You can call me all of those or none of those, but my position is the position of 95% of atheists I personally know, which is the absence of a believe in gods because of an absence of evidence pointing to that explanation.
God is never the best explanation for anything, most of the time its not even the worst explanation. Its no explanation.

So I dont have a reason to believe any of those claims.
Doesnt mean I myself claim that gods could not exist. I just have no reason to believe they do.


your the evidence, creation is the evidence. the imaginary idea that all these living systems some how arose becaus 'luck? isnt being held up by the science. thats why "the aliens done it"
which is admission to creation.

ya??? a superior intellect is a explanation
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Aug 28 2023 05:16pm
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I am an atheist and I disagree with you on that. That was easy. Never said NO GOD REEEEE.

Oh I didnt know atheists made the claim of macro evolution, I thought it was science. My bad.

And yes, I said it Atheists do not discover things. Atheism is just a disbelief in god claims, its not something you study in harvard or something.

I think you are a bit confused, right?


meh ..... your agnostic then
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Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 29 2023 01:15am)
your the evidence, creation is the evidence. the imaginary idea that all these living systems some how arose becaus 'luck? isnt being held up by the science. thats why "the aliens done it"
which is admission to creation.

ya??? a superior intellect is a explanation


If thats evidence for you than be happy about it. Its certainly not evidence for me. Not at all.
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Aug 28 2023 05:19pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 29 2023 01:16am)
meh ..... your agnostic then


Have been called that before. Have been called antitheist before. Have been called atheist before. Call me all of those or call me something else, I dont care.

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Aug 28 2023 05:25pm
Quote (Modulok2405 @ Aug 28 2023 04:17pm)
If thats evidence for you than be happy about it. Its certainly not evidence for me. Not at all.


your lack of explanation is what you got. scripture refers to people that are "willingly ignorant" you can believe anything you want. just dont try to snow me that it has been reasoned out.

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Aug 28 2023 05:29pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 29 2023 01:25am)
your lack of explanation is what you got. scripture refers to people that are "willingly ignorant" you can believe anything you want. just dont try to snow me that it has been reasoned out.


What explanation? You didnt bring any evidence at all. What is there to explain? You basically said everything is evidence because you cant think of another explanation apart from an eternal dude in the sky made everything. I mean...there is no foundation to even discuss "evidence" like that.

The only ignorance I constantly see is the ignorance of religious people. Its bottomless.
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Aug 28 2023 05:40pm
Quote (Modulok2405 @ Aug 28 2023 04:29pm)
What explanation? You didnt bring any evidence at all. What is there to explain? You basically said everything is evidence because you cant think of another explanation apart from an eternal dude in the sky made everything. I mean...there is no foundation to even discuss "evidence" like that.

The only ignorance I constantly see is the ignorance of religious people. Its bottomless.


ancient documents is evidence.
living systems are evidence of a creator
science has no explanation how living systems (life) could possibly be the product of some kind of accidental process. by definition that makes them supernatural and hard evidence of a creator.

all you have is you just up and decided to be 'atheist or whatever with out reasoning
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