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Dec 8 2020 12:26am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 8 Dec 2020 00:34)
Workin on it.

Though not really a priority since I make way better returns investing than the 5% interest on the loan.

Even if tomorrow they lost all my loan paperwork and I didn't have to pay it, I'd still advocate for student loan forgiveness whether they gave me anything back or not, because it's a good idea, the right thing to do, and the country as a whole would see much greater benefits than the flat monetary value.

yeah so give people who finished school but dont have loans now (for whatever reason) the equitable solution of $50k so they can play stock market as well. maybe they can make 30% gains (or more!) and then go stimulate the economy by buying stuff!!! why should someone who paid their loans off in a timely and fast manner not get these taxpayer benefits to help boost the gdp too?

and if your whole premise is on “boosting gdp” then my equitable solution is still best, as you’re giving more people $50k per person to spend!!! the interest rates being fubar as result is not a big deal anyway as people will just buy stuff with the cash no need to finance anything :rolleyes:

now this is assuming the math checks out, it doesn’t though
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/12/07/bidens-student-loan-cancellation-plan-would-do-almost-nothing-to-boost-economy-goldman-says/
https://archive.is/aERWF

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In a note to clients on Monday, Goldman said it estimates that forgiving up to $10,000 in federal student loans for every borrower would add less than 0.1% to the nation's gross domestic product annually from 2021 through 2030, and over that timespan, it would only add 43 cents in real GDP for each dollar of debt forgiven.

The cost of forgiving up to $10,000 per borrower would be around $300 billion, or roughly 1.6% of GDP, Goldman estimates, while forgiving up to $50,000 could cost roughly $800 billion, though Biden has never promised that degree of student loan forgiveness.

Most of the nearly $1.6 trillion in federal student loans to more than 43 million borrowers is held by middle- and upper-income households, who'd most likely save and not spend much of the money from loan forgiveness, Goldman notes, echoing concerns among critics who say that student loan forgiveness would disproportionately benefit individuals with higher incomes.

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/student-loan-forgiveness-effective-form-economic-stimulus

so not only would this mostly benefit pale pasty privileged people (shocker), forgiving $10k per borrower would boost gdp by like 0.1% per year for a decade. hell lets use government math and forgive $500k per borrower, and we get a 5% boost! lmfao!!!

oh little tid-bit, discharging or canceling of >$600 debt is almost always treated as part of one’s gross income. https://www.credit.com/blog/1099-c-in-the-mail-how-to-avoid-taxes-on-cancelled-debt-14927/

have fun saddling tens of millions of people with additional ~5-figure tax bills during a pandemic. doubt this will be exempted in any hypothetical EO because Democrats love taxes! you can have $50k wiped off your loans though, so long as people who paid off loans or paid their tuition get $50k to help “boost gdp” ;)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 8 Dec 2020 01:03)
at the end of the day a transfer from the bottom 30-40% of society toward the upper echelons. It would redistribute wealth from the plebs to the professional class, and to the banks who would otherwise be on the hook for loans which might be non-collectable and have to be written off.


precisely. the above articles detail this as such

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Dec 8 2020 12:49am
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/07/lloyd-austin-biden-secretary-defense-frontrunner-contender-443479

I predicted this 4 years ago. A black guy in charge of CENTCOM was going to be the Sec of Def REGARDLESS of who won. Good choice by Biden IMO. A lot of the Bernie fags are going to complain that it's not Chelsea Manning but they can go cry about how the military industrial complex in a safe space.
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Quote (thundercock @ Dec 8 2020 01:49am)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/07/lloyd-austin-biden-secretary-defense-frontrunner-contender-443479

I predicted this 4 years ago. A black guy in charge of CENTCOM was going to be the Sec of Def REGARDLESS of who won. Good choice by Biden IMO. A lot of the Bernie fags are going to complain that it's not Chelsea Manning but they can go cry about how the military industrial complex in a safe space.


I think some of the pushback on this pick is warranted. Trump broke the norm by asking for a waiver for Mattis, and Biden shouldn't do the same.

That said, I'm sure he'll be confirmed.

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Quote (thundercock @ Dec 8 2020 01:49am)
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/07/lloyd-austin-biden-secretary-defense-frontrunner-contender-443479

I predicted this 4 years ago. A black guy in charge of CENTCOM was going to be the Sec of Def REGARDLESS of who won. Good choice by Biden IMO. A lot of the Bernie fags are going to complain that it's not Chelsea Manning but they can go cry about how the military industrial complex in a safe space.



The rope and dope that Biden did to the party radicals was pretty amazing
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Dec 8 2020 09:46am
glorious days for the establishment, the oligarchs, the washington swamp, the hawks.

americans definitely deserve biden. they deserve shitty healthcare, third world worker protection, contaminated drinking water, a predatory ruling class, being slaves of bezos and walmart, in forever wars around the globe, and living in a system where their opinion on an issue as literally ZERO impact on policy.

socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor - and it has only gotten worse since dr. king pointed that out...
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Quote (fender @ Dec 8 2020 10:46am)
glorious days for the establishment, the oligarchs, the washington swamp, the hawks.

americans definitely deserve biden. they deserve shitty healthcare, third world worker protection, contaminated drinking water, a predatory ruling class, being slaves of bezos and walmart, in forever wars around the globe, and living in a system where their opinion on an issue as literally ZERO impact on policy.

socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor - and it has only gotten worse since dr. king pointed that out...


The neoliberals are taking the country back. :thumbsup:
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Dec 8 2020 01:23pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 8 2020 04:58am)
I think some of the pushback on this pick is warranted. Trump broke the norm by asking for a waiver for Mattis, and Biden shouldn't do the same.

That said, I'm sure he'll be confirmed.


I can understand the desire to only use the waiver when absolutely necessary. However, this guy has immense experience and is widely respected. IMO, the only other choice would be someone who ran PACOM, a former deputy, or a Senate chair/ranking member. This is a fine choice.
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 8 2020 05:01am)
The rope and dope that Biden did to the party radicals was pretty amazing


He is stepping on the throats of progressives like the worthless scum that they are.
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Dec 8 2020 01:39pm
Quote (IceMage @ 8 Dec 2020 18:19)
The neoliberals are taking the country back. :thumbsup:


Good luck with that. It will predictably lead to another Bernie or Trump type taking over, just this time it might be someone who is shrewd and doesnt trip over his own feet the way Trump did.

I've said this many times: the Democrats and the neoliberal establishment in DC and the MSM defiantly refused to learn the lessons from the 2016 election. Consequently, they were headed for an electoral bitchslap until the pandemic bailed them out. Despite a D+4.5 environment, a D-friendly Senate map and many "dummymander" districts in the House, the GOP held the Senate, came within 4-5 seats of flipping the House, and Trump lost the tipping point state in the EC by just 0.63%. Without the once-in-a-century pandemic, Trump would most likely head into his second term with a Republican trifecta, just this time without Paul RINO, Jeff Flake and John McCain stiffling his agenda.

Imho, the establishment is playing with electoral fire if they seriously think they can just go back to the old policies and messaging; if they think that everything is fine again just because Trump was defeated.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 8 2020 01:39pm)
Good luck with that. It will predictably lead to another Bernie or Trump type taking over, just this time it might be someone who is shrewd and doesnt trip over his own feet the way Trump did.

I've said this many times: the Democrats and the neoliberal establishment in DC and the MSM defiantly refused to learn the lessons from the 2016 election. Consequently, they were headed for an electoral bitchslap until the pandemic bailed them out. Despite a D+4.5 environment, a favorable Senate map and many "dummymander" districts in the House, the GOP held the Senate, came within 4-5 seats of flipping the House, and Trump lost the tipping point state in the EC by just 0.63%. Without the once-in-a-century pandemic, Trump would most likely head into his second term with a Republican trifecta, just this time without Paul RINO, Jeff Flake and John McCain stiffling his agenda.

Imho, the establishment is playing with electoral fire if they seriously think they can just go back to the old policies and messaging; if they think that everything is fine again just because Trump was defeated.


blah blah blah

trump got elected on fringe demographic votes and once in office his presidency was neutered by corporate interests and washington DC red tape.

Let the bernie bros elect an AOC type messiah in 2024 or 2028 all they want, they'll get shut down when they try to do just about anything out of the norm.

its the reason you people scared shitless of the radical left are so silly. dont u recall last week when we boiled you down in what Trump got done to "didnt start a new war" as his only real accomplishment other than partisan judges?
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 8 2020 01:47pm)
blah blah blah

trump got elected on fringe demographic votes and once in office his presidency was neutered by corporate interests and washington DC red tape.

Let the bernie bros elect an AOC type messiah in 2024 or 2028 all they want, they'll get shut down when they try to do just about anything out of the norm.

its the reason you people scared shitless of the radical left are so silly. dont u recall last week when we boiled you down in what Trump got done to "didnt start a new war" as his only real accomplishment other than partisan judges?


McConnel is the one who got those judges.

People who call Trump the leader of the Republican party are sheep. It's McConnel. He's been the king for longer than Trump's been in office.

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