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Mar 11 2020 06:39pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2020 07:32pm)
There was no "investigation" into the administration at the time, at least as far as anyone would admit, and previous AGs did not recuse themselves when political opponents of the administration demanded similar inquiries.
Remember Eric Holder being held in contempt of congress? An article of impeachment they just used against Trump was the refusal to turn over documents to congress just like Holder did. He didn't recuse himself.

You're making the mistake of framing your perspective on events from 3 years ago in the context of events that hadn't occurred yet.


This is misleading as hell, since the investigation was into the campaign (and it was happening as it's exactly what sessions recused himself from) that sessions was a part of, the campaign which resulted in Trump's presidency. Additionally sessions himself was a subject of the investigation as it had come out that he had spoken to a Russian ambassador and had previously denied doing so.

It's only true if you separate the "Trump campaign" and the "Trump administration".

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 11 2020 06:41pm
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Mar 11 2020 06:46pm
Quote (excellence @ Mar 11 2020 07:37pm)
why do you engage thor? he can’t even feed himself without the help of the state or his inlaws


Because Icemage is the real cuck and will hide behind Thor's idiocy as I bounce the logic off his thick skull, so he can take his cheap shots and call everything bullshit without having to refute what was a simple and logical argument and since proven by Mueller.

I've never understood why other people seem to lack the capacity for critical skepticism and breaking down narratives into their underlying logic and pointing out inconsistencies. If people were rational, everyone would do it every day. But for some reason its so unthinkable that when exposed to it, it provokes defensive mechanisms, even if the arguments don't necessarily challenge or conflict with their worldview. Its easier to believe in conspiracy theories and call other people cultists
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Mar 11 2020 06:49pm


Q: Is Trump going to win in 2020?

A: You bet your titties he will.
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Mar 11 2020 06:49pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2020 07:46pm)
Because Icemage is the real cuck and will hide behind Thor's idiocy as I bounce the logic off his thick skull, so he can take his cheap shots and call everything bullshit without having to refute what was a simple and logical argument and since proven by Mueller.

I've never understood why other people seem to lack the capacity for critical skepticism and breaking down narratives into their underlying logic and pointing out inconsistencies. If people were rational, everyone would do it every day. But for some reason its so unthinkable that when exposed to it, it provokes defensive mechanisms, even if the arguments don't necessarily challenge or conflict with their worldview. Its easier to believe in conspiracy theories and call other people cultists


Dude, you made a claim and typed 4 paragraphs of red herring. One of us is engaging their defense mechanisms, and it's probably not me and my 4 sentences.
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Mar 11 2020 06:50pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2020 07:46pm)
Because Icemage is the real cuck and will hide behind Thor's idiocy as I bounce the logic off his thick skull, so he can take his cheap shots and call everything bullshit without having to refute what was a simple and logical argument and since proven by Mueller.

I've never understood why other people seem to lack the capacity for critical skepticism and breaking down narratives into their underlying logic and pointing out inconsistencies. If people were rational, everyone would do it every day. But for some reason its so unthinkable that when exposed to it, it provokes defensive mechanisms, even if the arguments don't necessarily challenge or conflict with their worldview. Its easier to believe in conspiracy theories and call other people cultists


can u put simply why a guy in the Trump campaign who was elected by Trump wouldn't have a conflict of interest leading an investigation into the Trump campaign?

that confuses me.

the best defense would be that the investigation was into "campaign interference", which would undercut the point you've made all along (which I agree with) that the investigation was never about Russia or interference at all, it was a political attack.

and still, even if it is a political attack and biased in nature, a person can't investigate an organization they're involved with without it being a conflict of interest. so yeah, confused.

Quote (Ghot @ Mar 11 2020 07:49pm)
Q: Is Trump going to win in 2020?

A: You bet your titties he will.


most of the men here don't have titties tho.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 11 2020 06:51pm
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Mar 11 2020 06:56pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2020 08:46pm)
Because Icemage is the real cuck and will hide behind Thor's idiocy as I bounce the logic off his thick skull, so he can take his cheap shots and call everything bullshit without having to refute what was a simple and logical argument and since proven by Mueller.

I've never understood why other people seem to lack the capacity for critical skepticism and breaking down narratives into their underlying logic and pointing out inconsistencies. If people were rational, everyone would do it every day. But for some reason its so unthinkable that when exposed to it, it provokes defensive mechanisms, even if the arguments don't necessarily challenge or conflict with their worldview. Its easier to believe in conspiracy theories and call other people cultists


Glad you're thinking of me. To be sure, I was avoiding you by replying in this thread.

I'm just astounded how detached from reality you are. But what's more surprising, is how you can't even comprehend how other people see things differently. I don't know what happened to you post-Trump, but it's probably the most remarkable psychological shift I've ever seen. I don't know how it's even possible, because at this point I don't think you're joking around.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 11 2020 06:57pm
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Mar 11 2020 06:59pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 11 2020 08:50pm)
can u put simply why a guy in the Trump campaign who was elected by Trump wouldn't have a conflict of interest leading an investigation into the Trump campaign?

that confuses me.

the best defense would be that the investigation was into "campaign interference", which would undercut the point you've made all along (which I agree with) that the investigation was never about Russia or interference at all, it was a political attack.

and still, even if it is a political attack and biased in nature, a person can't investigate an organization they're involved with without it being a conflict of interest. so yeah, confused.


Hilarious to me how people have to accept bullshit premises to even meet cultists halfway to their insanity.
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Mar 11 2020 07:03pm
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 11 2020 07:59pm)
Hilarious to me how people have to accept bullshit premises to even meet cultists halfway to their insanity.


all to prop up the goblin jeff sessions. I frankly don't get it.

but a meme just for yall:

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Mar 11 2020 07:06pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 11 2020 07:50pm)
can u put simply why a guy in the Trump campaign who was elected by Trump wouldn't have a conflict of interest leading an investigation into the Trump campaign?


Because it wasn't an investigation into Trump or the Trump campaign at the time, and AG's haven't recused themselves in similar cases of partisan accusations in the past.
Sessions recused himself on March 2nd, 2017, before any official investigation was opened, and did so specifically because of the accusations by the democrats that he had lied under oath, as Nancy Pelosi directly accused a few days earlier. Up until that point, the only publicly admitted detail of 'Crossfire Hurricane' was that they were looking into Flynn, with the vague description in an article by the NYT a couple weeks prior of the FBI looking at contacts between Trump officials and Russia, without firm details. Without any official investigation, without any actual wrongdoing to examine, its unprecedented for an AG to step aside. That's what happens *after* there's specific allegations and evidence of a crime by the administration.

Just look at the sequence of events, Sessions never recused himself just because of the democrats and media's furor with the wild rumors of the Steele Dossier leaking out, he didn't recuse himself when people were calling for a special prosecutor to look into Trump campaign officials communicating with Russia, but within just a couple days of the media running a news cycle accusing *him* of talking to Russians and lying about it, *that's* when he recused himself citing his personal involvement. Except that narrative was complete bullshit and he knew it. He wasn't stepping aside because supporting Trump was a conflict, he was stepping aside because he became a target.
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Mar 11 2020 07:07pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 11 2020 09:03pm)
all to prop up the goblin jeff sessions. I frankly don't get it.

but a meme just for yall:

https://i.imgur.com/8jV3ien.jpg


This meme fundamentally misunderstands what's happening.

It's people moving towards propaganda and nonsense, and IceMage moving towards truth and reason. I'm not a progressive because I oppose the president hijacking foreign policy for political purposes, and Goom's not a conservative for supporting it.
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