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Nov 5 2020 07:11pm
Quote (excellence @ Nov 5 2020 04:39pm)
a poll claiming one candidate +17% ~6 days before an election and being off by 17% is not an error


You're referring to the WI, WaPo poll, right? That's clearly an outlier and that's why we use polling aggregates. Sometimes an outlier may see something that others don't see (i.e. Selzer) and some are just flat out wrong (like WaPo). I'd rather them publish it as opposed to fudging the numbers. It allows other firms to look at it to see what went wrong.
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Republicans have been hedging for about a month now as we came close to election.

Shapiro said "if he can't get elected against Joe that's not on us", Ted Cruz basically threw Trump under the bus every time he was interviewed, etc. etc.


Santorum was defending Trump the last few days, even today. Saying things like nah, he'd never try to question the legitness of the election process. It's JUST after Trump's Speech that he started slowly to accept reality that he has to flip. Even in the beginning he was reticent, but the panel was blasting Trump so much he just had to conform.

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Nov 5 2020 07:12pm
President John Huntman sounds pretty good atm huh GOP? You passed that up...
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President John Huntman sounds pretty good atm huh GOP? You passed that up...

yeah because he wouldn’t have been called the most evil candidate ever by the opposition too

Quote (thundercock @ 5 Nov 2020 20:11)
You're referring to the WI, WaPo poll, right? That's clearly an outlier and that's why we use polling aggregates. Sometimes an outlier may see something that others don't see (i.e. Selzer) and some are just flat out wrong (like WaPo). I'd rather them publish it as opposed to fudging the numbers. It allows other firms to look at it to see what went wrong.

yes and its not just an outlier and not just not an error. it isnt even remotey close to the realm of a feasible result

that is like reagan 84 level landslide margin. wait not really, reagan won by 9 in 1984 in wisconsin

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Quote (Helloween7 @ Nov 5 2020 07:11pm)
Santorum was defending Trump the last few days, even today. Saying things like nah, he'd never try to question the legitness of the election process. It's JUST after Trump's Speech that he started slowly to accept reality that he has to flip. Even in the beginning he was reticent, but the panel was blasting Trump so much he just had to conform.
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Quote (Helloween7 @ Nov 5 2020 08:11pm)
Santorum was defending Trump the last few days, even today. Saying things like nah, he'd never try to question the legitness of the election process. It's JUST after Trump's Speech that he started slowly to accept reality that he has to flip. Even in the beginning he was reticent, but the panel was blasting Trump so much he just had to conform.

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Quote (excellence @ Nov 5 2020 08:15pm)
yeah because he wouldn’t have been called the most evil candidate ever by the opposition too


Dems were actually a bit infatuated with him, he was so smart. He was fiscally conservative but compassionate which are my favorite governors and why i am a 2x Kasich voter.
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Quote (Helloween7 @ Nov 5 2020 08:11pm)
Santorum was defending Trump the last few days, even today. Saying things like nah, he'd never try to question the legitness of the election process. It's JUST after Trump's Speech that he started slowly to accept reality that he has to flip. Even in the beginning he was reticent, but the panel was blasting Trump so much he just had to conform.

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Nov 5 2020 07:22pm
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yes and its not just an outlier and not just not an error. it isnt even remotey close to the realm of a feasible result

that is like reagan 84 level landslide margin. wait not really, reagan won by 9 in 1984 in wisconsin


It's not a statistical error but it's a modeling/sampling error. All you can do is throw it onto the pile and poll more. Failure to do that literally results in herding which fucks things up. I 100% agree that it was a nonsensical result.
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Quote (thundercock @ 6 Nov 2020 02:11)
You're referring to the WI, WaPo poll, right? That's clearly an outlier and that's why we use polling aggregates. Sometimes an outlier may see something that others don't see (i.e. Selzer) and some are just flat out wrong (like WaPo). I'd rather them publish it as opposed to fudging the numbers. It allows other firms to look at it to see what went wrong.


There were a ton of polls showing Biden up 10-12% nationally. B+ and A+ rated pollsters had Biden up by 11 in Florida and 13 in Pennsylvania, and so on and on. Let's just say it like it is: some, not all but some, of these polls were propaganda.



Even more importantly, the polls once again did not do a good job capturing the trends of the various states. Polls in Minnesota and Georgia nailed it. Polls in Wisconsin, South Carolina and Florida were way off.

The tldr is basically that pollsters did a good job predicting the margins of Trump and Biden among rural/suburban/urban as well as college and non-college whites - but they again badly underestimated the rural turnout Trump would be getting, and they also failed to capture the movement of latinos toward Trump.
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