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Mar 11 2020 04:57pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2020 08:56am)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1237557409943416834

Jeff Sessions spinelessly ducked for cover when the stones were hurled at his President three years ago and today he's reaping the reward for his keen political calculus.


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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2020 07:56am)
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Jeff Sessions spinelessly ducked for cover when the stones were hurled at his President three years ago and today he's reaping the reward for his keen political calculus.


I mean, he did the ethical thing and recused himself from a case in which he had a conflict of interest.

Was there another instance where he ducked for cover when he should have shielded the president?
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Mar 11 2020 05:50pm
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I mean, he did the ethical thing and recused himself from a case in which he had a conflict of interest.

Was there another instance where he ducked for cover when he should have shielded the president?


These people live in the upside down. Reality is flipped on it's head. Sessions doing the obviously right thing is bad... and when Trump does the obviously wrong thing it's good.

If Biden wins, it's going to be hilarious watching the cultists on this forum suddenly remember what principles and norms they're supposed to believe in.
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Mar 11 2020 05:58pm
Quote (IceMage @ 11 Mar 2020 19:50)
These people live in the upside down. Reality is flipped on it's head. Sessions doing the obviously right thing is bad... and when Trump does the obviously wrong thing it's good.

If Biden wins, it's going to be hilarious watching the cultists on this forum suddenly remember what principles and norms they're supposed to believe in.

this is ironic coming from an anti-Obama anti-Trump anti-American loser reliant on his stepfather for grocery money
Quote (Thor123422 @ 11 Mar 2020 19:20)
I mean, he did the ethical thing and recused himself from a case in which he had a conflict of interest.

Was there another instance where he ducked for cover when he should have shielded the president?


same to you but reliant on the in-laws
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Mar 11 2020 06:11pm
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I mean, he did the ethical thing and recused himself from a case in which he had a conflict of interest.

Was there another instance where he ducked for cover when he should have shielded the president?


Jeff Sessions had no conflict of interest. He had done nothing wrong, hadn't lied in his confirmation, had no personal exposure. He let Al Franken push a ridiculous quibble to attack him. Do you really think that when Franken was standing there haranguing Sessions into the cameras, that he actually thought Sessions had lied or colluded with Russia or any of that other nonsense? Of course not. He was a rational, intelligent senator. The entire Russiaburger was insane from the get-go, but pretending that career politicians who had spent 30+ years in Washington were suddenly scheming with Russia- in plain sight of cameras, right in front of everyone at an open reception- was ridiculous. He had been said at his confirmation that he had been a surrogate for the Trump campaign and hadn't met with Russians, and it was plainly clear what he meant by that, and there's no world in which he would blatantly lie about something as easily disproven as looking at the public records of a reception.

But for Jeff Sessions to stand by the truth and point out the quibble would be bad optics and bring heat down on himself, making him think he'd be the fall guy and get thrown under the bus. It was a spineless, self-serving move to move aside over what he knew perfectly well was a storm in a teacup, and the very act of recusing himself breathed the life into the special counsel the Democrats wanted.

I lost a lot of respect for Al Franken when I saw seize so opportunistically on that partisan bullshit. Here was the senator I had voted for over Coleman who spent his life decrying Republican partisan games and insincerity, and his first (and last) big moment in the senate was to go after Jeff Sessions over a load of disingenuous horseshit. It was just fortunate for Franken that his target was the world's biggest flake. Well, besides Jeff Flake.


But I've said this before, this is an example of one of those Russiaburger stories where liberals and never-trumpers like icemage alike hold an utterly inconsistent and ridiculous interpretation of the story, a narrative that makes no logical sense. When there are obvious plot holes that cannot be explained away, when they're ascribing nonsensical motives to actors and their conspiracy theory requires both incredible levels of organization and coordination by the conspirators while also requiring incredible incompetence and irrationality, it makes no sense. I said this 3 years ago, I still say it today, a year after the Mueller Report should have laid this to rest. If Sessions did nothing wrong, and didn't lie, then the only reason for him to recuse himself was spinelessness and trying to avoid the media furor consuming other Trump officials by throwing his president under the bus. Which is exactly what he did, and why Trump is getting his revenge now.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 11 2020 06:16pm
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Mar 11 2020 06:22pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2020 07:11pm)
Jeff Sessions had no conflict of interest.


Him being an early supporter, adviser, and speaker in favor of the Trump campaign, and then getting appointed as part of his administration is a conflict of interest when investigating that administration.

Like, this is so obviously a conflict of interest that you could use it as an introductory example in Law 101.



Honestly, since you went on that rant that has nothing to do with my question after just boldly asserting that he has no conflict of interest shows you don't really have a case to make.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 11 2020 06:23pm
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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 11 2020 06:50pm)
These people live in the upside down. Reality is flipped on it's head. Sessions doing the obviously right thing is bad... and when Trump does the obviously wrong thing it's good.

If Biden wins, it's going to be hilarious watching the cultists on this forum suddenly remember what principles and norms they're supposed to believe in.


I expect there's going to be copious paragraphs written about how "it's definitely not the same!" and we will all laugh at them because they're criticizing Biden for something that is milk toast compared to the shit Trump pulls.

Goom's multiple paragraphs about nothing are really disturbing, but also a microcosm about what I've said all along. He didn't have a case so he just started typing, and I'd bet money that there's some conservative posters who read it and thought he made a great case because he made a long post.
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Mar 11 2020 06:32pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 11 2020 07:22pm)
Him being an early supporter, adviser, and speaker in favor of the Trump campaign, and then getting appointed as part of his administration is a conflict of interest when investigating that administration
Like, this is so obviously a conflict of interest that you could use it as an introductory example in Law 101.
Honestly, since you went on that rant that has nothing to do with my question after just boldly asserting that he has no conflict of interest shows you don't really have a case to make.


There was no "investigation" into the administration at the time, at least as far as anyone would admit, and previous AGs did not recuse themselves when political opponents of the administration demanded similar inquiries.
Remember Eric Holder being held in contempt of congress? An article of impeachment they just used against Trump was the refusal to turn over documents to congress just like Holder did. He didn't recuse himself.

You're making the mistake of framing your perspective on events from 3 years ago in the context of events that hadn't occurred yet.
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Mar 11 2020 06:36pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 11 2020 08:28pm)
I expect there's going to be copious paragraphs written about how "it's definitely not the same!" and we will all laugh at them because they're criticizing Biden for something that is milk toast compared to the shit Trump pulls.

Goom's multiple paragraphs about nothing are really disturbing, but also a microcosm about what I've said all along. He didn't have a case so he just started typing, and I'd bet money that there's some conservative posters who read it and thought he made a great case because he made a long post.


I think it shows how the movement is temporary. If it was longer lasting, there wouldn't need to be so much bullshitting. So much propaganda. Trump's bullshit can work on his cult, but after he's gone, there's not going to be a personality to sustain the nonsense anymore.
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Mar 11 2020 06:37pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Mar 2020 20:32)
There was no "investigation" into the administration at the time, at least as far as anyone would admit, and previous AGs did not recuse themselves when political opponents of the administration demanded similar inquiries.
Remember Eric Holder being held in contempt of congress? An article of impeachment they just used against Trump was the refusal to turn over documents to congress just like Holder did. He didn't recuse himself.

You're making the mistake of framing your perspective on events from 3 years ago in the context of events that hadn't occurred yet.

why do you engage thor? he can’t even feed himself without the help of the state or his inlaws
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