Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2019 07:13pm)

Criticism of AIPAC or Israel is not generally anti-semitic. But when it's coming from a muslim who is on tape singing "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", the accusation of anti-semitism does seem justified.

For those who dont know the context: This is a well-known battle chant of militant palestinians who deny the state of Israel its right to exist, the chant is a thinly veiled alliteration to their dreams of purging the Holy Land from all jews, via expuslion or extermination.

Quote (Skinned @ 14 Mar 2019 01:31)

Who is actually doing what to who in Palestine though?

You guys are condemning this woman because she isn't supportive to the executioners?

Could you just be sympathetic and supportive over some sense of cultural guilt by chance? You guys did try to murder all the Jews that one time. Do you think they had little chants in the Warsaw Ghetto too? Fucking bastards with their songs; so offensive to their kind hosts.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2019 07:39pm)

Feel free to inform yourself on the Middle East conflict - it's a lot more complicated and ambiguous than "Israel bad, Palestinians good" or the other way round.

Quote (Skinned @ 14 Mar 2019 01:53)

Yes, agreed, and ditto.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2019 08:04pm)

I'm not taking a one-sided stance on the issue. I'm just pointing out that Ilhan Omar is not a neutral person acting in good faith when it comes to this issue.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 13 2019 08:04pm)

Centuries ago: Muslim Arabs displace Jews from Palestine through war, persecution, etc

WW1: Muslim Arabs+Turks are aligned with ze Germans, pretty much same ones that will go on an try to exterminate Jews

After WW2: About half a dozen wars and campaigns by ME Muslims looking to exterminate Israel. Objective history recognizes that all of these wars Israel was not the aggressor

2019: "Wahh why are the evil Jews persecuting the Muslims that launch rockets every chance they get"

Talk about a lack of perspective.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2019 08:07pm)

All true. But still, there's also the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the unfair water distribution and so on. This conflict isnt black & white, it's fifty shades of grey.

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Background
More than 17.000 Palestinians were injured during different Israeli military incursions on the Gaza Strip from 2006 to 2014. Many suffered traumatic extremity amputations. We describe the injuries, complications, living conditions and health among a selection of traumatic amputees in the Gaza Strip.

Methods
We included 254 civilian Palestinians who had survived, but lost one or more limb(s) during military incursions from 2006 to 2016. All patients were receiving follow-up treatment at a physical rehabilitation center in Gaza at the time of inclusion. We measured and photographed anatomical location and length of extremity amputations and interviewed the amputees using standard questionnaires on self-reported health, socioeconomic status, mechanism of injury, physical status and medical history.

Results
The amputees were young (median age 25,6 years at the time of trauma), well educated (37% above graduate level), males (92%), but also 43 children (17% ≤ 18 years). The greater part suffered major amputations (85% above wrist or ankle). Limb losses were unilateral (35% above-, 29·5% below knee), and bilateral (17%) lower extremity amputations. Pain was the most frequent long-term complaint (in joints; 34%, back; 33% or phantom pain; 40·6%). Sixty-three percent of amputees were their family’s sole breadwinner, 75·2% were unemployed and 46% had lost their home. Only one in ten (11·6%) of the destroyed homes had been rebuilt.

Conclusions
The most frequently observed amputees in our study were young, well-educated male breadwinners and almost one in five were children. Conflict-related traumatic amputations have wide-ranging, serious consequences for the amputees and their families.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 14 Mar 2019 02:04)

Centuries ago: Muslim Arabs displace Jews from Palestine through war, persecution, etc

WW1: Muslim Arabs+Turks are aligned with ze Germans, pretty much same ones that will go on an try to exterminate Jews

After WW2: About half a dozen wars and campaigns by ME Muslims looking to exterminate Israel. Objective history recognizes that all of these wars Israel was not the aggressor

2019: "Wahh why are the evil Jews persecuting the Muslims that launch rockets every chance they get"

Talk about a lack of perspective.

Quote (Skinned @ 14 Mar 2019 02:06)

Congressmen and women are not supposed to be neutral people, they are partisan by definition of elections. Have you heard of democracy? Lol.

I have no reason to question the goodness of her faith. Do you?



https://bmcinthealthhumrights.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12914-018-0173-3

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 13 2019 06:07pm)

All true. But still, there's also the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the unfair water distribution and so on. This conflict isnt black & white, it's fifty shades of grey.