20% Planned Parenthood. 50% AOC. 30% "socialism".

Liberalism jumping the shark? Seems like it.

GG Dutch. Respect.

This post was edited by Santara on Mar 11 2019 05:44pm

One thing that kind of bothers me about the Western portrayal of WW2 is how the Soviets role in the war is really minimized, often barely even mentioned. It's like THE reason WW2 was won was because of the US joining and saving Europe & the world. Nevermind the fact that objective history tells that the Soviets broke the camels back when they started pumping out tanks en masse.

I guess whether it's the east or the west, every side will be very centric in their role in the conflict. But when you put the numbers into perspective it's startling. ~418,000 Americans died in WW2 compared to 20 + million Soviets. Now not to take away anything from the Dutch taking care of those graves, because that's admirable, but imo, I think it's somewhat wrong to recognize one nation sacrifices yet another that lost nearly 50x humans is barely mentioned. All across central & eastern Europe, Soviet liberation monuments are being defaced and destroyed meanwhile in the west the US is honored. I recognize communist sins have something to do with the former, but tbh the 20+ million soviets that lost their lives had nothing to do with what happened later in history.

The soviets definitely were the party which paid the highest death toll for winning ww2. And yes, a western-centric perspective certainly contributes to how little their role is acknowledged in the west. Another big contributing factor, however, is that the soviets received massive arms transfers from the US, and without those, they could very well have crumbled in 41/42. Another factor is that the soviet generals were really ruthless and careless with their own soldiers, they used them as cannon-fodder without batting an eye. 50% or so of their death toll was caused by the incompetence and ignorance of their own leadership. Even then they would have carried the highest death toll of all ww2 parties, but still.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 11 2019 07:20pm

They were severely under-equipped versus a very well equipped German army. You're partially right, I don't doubt that the Soviet generals were less competent maybe even careless with lives at times but to say so many people died just because of that is incorrect.

3/4 of German casualties in WW2 were at the hands of the Red Army. As i said, I understand why their role is being minimized and it's somewhat justified because of communist crimes after the war but I don't like this almost revisionist history that paints the US as THE reason for winning the War.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 11 2019 07:32pm

Holy f***ing LOL





This post was edited by EndlessSky on Mar 11 2019 07:37pm