Ah yes, "Crime Bill Joe" was definitely a life-long liberal.

Famously liberal Joe Biden who said nothing about gay marriage for almost all of his career.

Dude, you're doing that thing where you pretend that Democrats are the left wing party. Joe was "liberal" among establishment Democrats, which puts him pretty much in the center of the country. It took beating him over the head for months in the primary for him to even concede that he wants a higher minimum wage, or that he would be for a public option. Obamacare was literally written by Republicans, it's a right wing health plan to begin with!

My position is based in reality. Yours, again, requires believing the Republican propaganda.

This so much.


Your point of view is also confirmed by the fact that most Republican senate candidates in battlegrounds outperformed Trump. A sizable segment of the electorate basically signalled that "yes, fine, I concede that Trump indeed has to go - but I absolutely don't want to give Democrats any kind of power or mandate".

how you got all that from a vote

These righties will ignore this per usual.

Trump in his speech just called black people corrupt. Lol
Guy is such a loser

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Nov 5 2020 06:45pm

What you've just described is a Joe Biden without principle, who always does what is expedient. Now you believe that expedient Joe is going to hold the line against the liberals in his party on principle, but a man of principle we've just ascertained he is not.

goodnight guys - hope you all have an amazing day regardless of the outcome of the election

The liberals in his party still have virtually no power.

I wish they did but they don't lol

The crime bill WAS the mainstream view of the party at the time. Democrats had moved to the right a ton during the Clinton years. During the 2020 campaign, Republicans obviously talked up this bill to depress enthusiasm for Biden among black men and progressives, but this was of course a very dishonest spin by the GOP.




So did Obama, and no one questions him being a mainstream liberal.



That's historical relativism. You're judging the 90s and 00s by the warped standards of 2020 to conclude that all Biden and Obama did during that time was not liberal or lefty enough to count.


The contrary argument is far more cogent: a close look at Biden's career unambiguously shows that he's an unideological opportunist who always positioned himself toward the center of his own party, which was always the more left-wing party in America in any given year since at least 1960. Precisely because he always goes with the dominant trends in his party is it to be expected that he'll do the same again over the next 4 years - and currently, the trend of his party is to stampede to the left on tons of policy issues.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 5 2020 06:57pm

You weren't here for Obama's term. A TON OF LIBERALS questioned him being a mainstream liberal.

This is just another one of those issues where your lack of experience following these things is really showing. If you had been here 2008-2016 you'd know how ridiculous most of what you just said is lol

and I'll just say it again, mainstream Democrat is not mainstream liberal. Democrats are not a liberal party. They are more liberal than Republicans, but still on average fall to the right of the American public.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 5 2020 06:57pm