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Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 21 2019 04:32pm)
Obama had a chance to be a glorious uniter. He was intelligent but he let his divisiveness overtake his good side. He will be remembered as loud and a little ineffective unfortunately.


So a smart version of trump?
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Quote (EndlessSky @ 22 Feb 2019 00:32)
Obama had a chance to be a glorious uniter. He was intelligent but he let his divisiveness overtake his good side. He will be remembered as loud and a little ineffective unfortunately.


Let me say Obama was in the upper tier

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

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Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 21 2019 06:36pm)
So a smart version of trump?


He has moments of intelligence and is on average slightly more effective.

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If we didnt have republicans who openly admitted they would oppose whatever he wanted on merit of him wanting it I might agree, but the uncooperativeness of the republicans will overshadow anything obama did to divide the country.



The massive midterm landslides disagree

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 22 Feb 2019 00:04)
I think its going to be less and less so in the future. I mean I think the EC will still favor Republicans, but its not going to keep making a difference unless something drastically changes in american voting patterns or demographics. Those 70k votes that got Trump the EC is a pretty slim margin, I think its just as likely that Republicans begin to want election reform several presidential cycles from now as demographics continue to change against them.


If current voting patterns and demographic trends continue into the future, I really dont see how electoral reform could benefit the GOP.

I still think that the broader Trump agenda has a ton of appeal to a ton of voters, but isnt pulled off well enough by Trump himself. He was the right person to get certain ideas out there, but he's not the right person to actually carry these ideas out.

In the long run, I think the Republicans' greatest hope is that the current democratic coalition just cannot be held together ad infinitum. Poor minorities on the one side and college-educated whites who are globalization beneficiaries on the other side - at the end of the day, these two groups have VERY different economic interests. Currently, their coalition is held together by their shared cultural interests, which is also the reason why the Democratic party has in recent years shifted its focus more and more from economic/class questions toward identity politics.




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Still, I have no damn clue how 2020 will go. Trump has bread a lot of bad blood with his tariff since they hurt far more jobs that depend on foreign steel than steel workers were helped. He gets national points for "he saved these jobs" but in pretty much every case I've looked into the jobs were still shipped overseas and those people aren't going to forget it.

Might just come down to who Democrats put out again, if they put out another Clinton it might not matter.


My bet is that they will nominate Harris and double down on identity politics. The party establishment and their donor class clearly dont want to go too far down the Warren/Sanders route and will try everything to slow them down.
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Ford very well may have been held down and assaulted as a teenage girl. Would be cool if conservatives would leave her out of these if not for morality at least for accuracy
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Ford very well may have been held down and assaulted as a teenage girl. Would be cool if conservatives would leave her out of these if not for morality at least for accuracy


inb4 'b-b-but she dropped her case as soon as kavanaugh was confirmed - gotcha, libtard' completely ignoring that there never was a court case to begin with and that the hearing was only held so that senate members could judge for themselves...
to me it's pretty clear that she told the truth. not just her testimony, but also kavanaugh's lies and lack of interest to clear his name, as well as the avenues that were specifically excluded from the short 'investigation' strongly suggest that.
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