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Quote (fender @ Feb 18 2019 04:06pm)
you really don't see it, do you? you're not merely 'agreeing' with the reasonable and objective part of the criticism of mainstream media, you EXCLUSIVELY come out in support of trump's one-sided, hypocritical, and clearly motivated by self-interest narrative.

it's exactly my point that you're NOT saying merely saying 'i support criticising the media for certain things' whenever the issue comes up, but usually go full trump shill. the only times you ever pretend to see the matter a little more nuanced are your half-assed backpedals when you're being called out - as demonstrated by the last couple of pages in this thread...


Except thats literally what im doing.
I'm explicitly saying i don't agree with everything trump has said, but criticizing the media back is not "pro censorship" or "condemning the free press".
Yes in many cases he is absolutely justified criticizing insanely biased propagandists that smear him and other republicans and libertarians all the time.

Like I said before, having an opinion you dont like =/= shill

Having a reasonable opinion that is critical of the propagandists that you hold dear is not going full shill, and accusing me of being a shill is not a refutation of my arguments.
Its a pathetic deflection.

Come up with a real argument once in awhile.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 18 Feb 2019 22:12)
Except thats literally what im doing.
I'm explicitly saying i don't agree with everything trump has said, but criticizing the media back is not "pro censorship" or "condemning the free press".


no it's not, that's what you're TRYING to do NOW. like i already said: "the only times you ever pretend to see the matter a little more nuanced are your half-assed backpedals when you're being called out - as demonstrated by the last couple of pages in this thread..."

Quote (cambovenzi @ 18 Feb 2019 22:12)
Yes in many cases he is absolutely justified criticizing insanely biased propagandists


funny how that only concerns outlets critical of trump. those who engage in ACTUAL propaganda, far more dishonest and devoid of facts than any trump critical msm outlet, never get that 'justified criticism' - neither from trump nor from you...
there is a difference between calling out objectively wrong reporting and engaging in a coordinated campaign to paint every critical media outlet as "the enemy of the people" - a shame you're not able to distinguish between those...

Quote (cambovenzi @ 18 Feb 2019 22:12)
Having a reasonable opinion that is critical of the propagandists


again, you'd maybe be able to sell your position as 'reasonable' if you STOPPED there and directed it at actual 'propagandists' - both for and against trump, but that's clearly not what you do.

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Quote (fender @ Feb 18 2019 11:35pm)
again, you'd maybe be able to sell your position as 'reasonable' if you STOPPED there and directed it at actual 'propagandists' - both for and against trump, but that's clearly not what you do.


where do you direct it at propagandists against trump, with posts backing that up?

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Quote (djman72 @ Feb 18 2019 03:15pm)
Why do you constantly capitalize random words in your sentences. I'm assuming this is for effect, but it doesn't really do much.

Curious.


Fender,

Would you please answer this?
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Quote (fender @ 18 Feb 2019 22:35)
no it's not, that's what you're TRYING to do NOW. like i already said: "the only times you ever pretend to see the matter a little more nuanced are your half-assed backpedals when you're being called out - as demonstrated by the last couple of pages in this thread..."



funny how that only concerns outlets critical of trump. those who engage in ACTUAL propaganda, far more dishonest and devoid of facts than any trump critical msm outlet, never get that 'justified criticism' - neither from trump nor from you...
there is a difference between calling out objectively wrong reporting and engaging in a coordinated campaign to paint every critical media outlet as "the enemy of the people" - a shame you're not able to distinguish between those...



again, you'd maybe be able to sell your position as 'reasonable' if you STOPPED there and directed it at actual 'propagandists' - both for and against trump, but that's clearly not what you do.


This is correct

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