You ever think that after all the users who've ever engaged you on any topic over the past 10 yeara and came away with the conclusion that you're dishonest, irrational and short sighted that maybe... just maybe... it isn't everyone else thats the problem? I'm talking well before the parade of trumpets arrived and lowered the political discourse in here. Remember it wasn't just the "liberals" who thought you were delusional.

This post was edited by duffman316 on Feb 18 2019 12:39pm

There are very few who called me dishonest or irrational and almost all of them were anti-intellectual leftists mad that I was arguing against them.
Anti-intellectual Leftists existed before trump.
Its not 'everyone'.

Getting into heated arguments with a handful of scumbags who call me names instead of addressing my points is not proof that i am dishonest or irrational.
A fabricated ad populum claim is not a logically valid line of reasoning. Nor are the claims themselves proof of the claims' validity.

I welcome actual discussions of points i made. Demonstrate that I am 'irrational' or wrong on certain topics.
Show where I am "dishonest". I post the truth to the best of my ability, even when its unpopular. Thats what I value.

This is just another disgusting and unjustified attack on me. A slimy habit of yours.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 18 2019 01:03pm

you are super sensitive

which is fine other than you insult nonstop while complaining about smearing and insulting nonstop

you are not seen how you see yourself and it's because of how you act towards other people. You're your own worst enemy

and yaya I know "terrible loser leftist that wants massive government and the destruction of liberty" blah blah

This post was edited by Beowulf on Feb 18 2019 01:13pm

Ok well if you want a recent example of dishonesty you were screaming "private hospital" at the top of your lungs over and over during the incident of rand paul running off to a publicly funded hospital in canadafor hernia surgeryl because you couldn't handle the conversation outside that narrow line of reasoning. Even r libertarian acknowledged what a dumb talking point it was in the face it being a publicly funded hospital yet you persist as did a few other zealots i encountered online because you didn't want to address the facts that undermined your delusions on healthcare. The reailty that a hospital funded by a single payer healthcare system had produced better quality healthcare than the freer alternatives south of the border and rand paul going to the country where healthcare is slavery undermined all his previous propaganda against single payer systems.

You are not capable of acknowledging this and will go off on irrelevant tangents about how rand paul paid out of pocket for it or that government intrustion is the reason healthcare is so had in the states. Aside from being dumb talking points that have nothing to do with the topic it'd also be a dishonest diversion from having to face the issue at hand.

This post was edited by duffman316 on Feb 18 2019 01:16pm

Bringing up a true point you dont like to admit while you try to smear a libertarian for going to Canada to treat his injuries after being attacked is not dishonesty.
It is a private hospital.
If you wanted to make the case that some of the hospitals funding was from the government paying for some of the treatments of Canadians, I would agree with that and already said that.

One instance of someone going to a specialized hospital in canada to treat a very specific problem is not proof that all of canadian healthcare is better, or that there arent great benefits to a more free market oriented healthcare system.




Yes he paid out of pocket for it, and sued for it in the court case against his attacker.
That is definitely relevant information to the story, especially when you try to claim he went there because he wanted to 'mooch' off of it.

I had forgotten about that thread. You really are a terrible person.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 18 2019 01:33pm

and more of the same dishonest garbage, don't know why i bothered, have a good day

Yep pointing out how you were wrong and disgusting is 'dishonest garbage'. Good one.

Duffman just dodges or posts links. Nothing of substance in between those two activities.

this is the perfect example why no one really buys your act. i don't think that ANYONE would disagree if you argued that large part of mainstream media is biased (massively pro establishment, and yes, also anti-trump).

HOWEVER, if your conclusion is that therefore trump's coordinated and regular (also effective if you look at the polls and facts about trust in media) attacks against outlets that are critical of him (not against BIAS as you suggest, otherwise he would criticise right wing outlets as well), his "enemy of the people" narrative, and his multiple suggestions of censorship are the LESSER evil in this, you should not really be surprised that people consider you a shill.

to inb4 your inevitable 'sAYiNg thE mEDiA iSn'T pErFeCt dOEs noT mEaN yOu sUpPoRt EveRy sInGle aTtAcK aGAiNsT tHEm' pivot: that's NOT what you do though, you just described it as the "good and true" side in this fight between the media and trump. you exclusively come out in support of trump on this issue, you don't make 'reasonable criticisms', as you apparently like to see yourself, you always just support the "fake news" side of the narrative...

Yes i think the media being insanely biased and immoral activists that prop up big government while fraudulently pretending to be objective and impartial while spreading their propaganda to the masses is a bigger problem than trump ranting about them on twitter.

At no point in time did i suggest trump isn't more inclined to attack 'fake news' in response to them attacking and smearing him.
In this thread i corrected the implication that criticizing the press is condemning the free press.

Having a different opinion that you does not make me a shill.
Thats a fundamental flaw in how you view the world. Its ok if people have different opinions and preferences.
People aren't evil shills for disagreeing with you.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Feb 18 2019 02:02pm