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Jan 22 2019 11:05am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 22 2019 11:54am)
Common sense and more importantly the constitution.


Good point, I hadn't considered that.
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Jan 22 2019 11:15am
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I'm as bigoted against trannies as the next guy, but I really don't understand the rationale for this move(beyond politics).


for trump: politics
for the military: they might know its a net loss to take on trannies overall, but be willing to take their lumps because the social pressure is greater than the fiscal cost, but when Trump focuses that social pressure onto himself- might as well

with all those lawsuits around bradley->chelsea manning and the nebulously defined deployability and medical liability presented by transgender troops (something which afaik has never been settled into any concrete guidelines by military/doctors/courts/mattis/etc), any sensible military bean counter would want nothing to do with them. You wouldn't recruit a kid with leukemia, you wouldn't recruit a man who's going to spend months in pre-op then post-op undeployable medical leave followed by undeployable HRT downtime during the initial observation months or more followed by a diagnosis of persistent gender dysphoria that could put them onto the 12 month-get-the-boot list or at a minimum still need continued pills & therapy. And its not like they can just filter out the ones that want to transition since they can't deny a 'necessary' medical operation if they change their mind, and besides, if a tranny wants to join the military right now and get no transgender healthcare- they can. By just not getting their dick sliced open or taking she-pills.

Quote (joncomgree @ Jan 22 2019 10:50am)
does this tear magical properties like phoenix tears?


it cures male pattern baldness, but you lose your facial hair

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jan 22 2019 11:16am
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You know something went wrong when IceMage is rooting for Nancy Pelosi.
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Jan 24 2019 10:53am
Quote (IceMage @ Jan 24 2019 06:46am)
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You know something went wrong when IceMage is rooting for Nancy Pelosi.


do you support improved border security?
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Jan 24 2019 10:55am
Quote (IceMage @ Jan 24 2019 08:46am)
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You know something went wrong when IceMage is rooting for Nancy Pelosi.


why is great in quotation marks
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Jan 24 2019 11:02am
Quote (TeaRs- @ Jan 24 2019 09:55am)
why is great in quotation marks


The closest he will get to ever showing a sign of self awareness is accidently shitting on himself
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Jan 24 2019 11:21am
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 24 2019 11:53am)
do you support improved border security?


Yes. I even support putting more fencing up. What I don't support is shutting down the government over a 5 billion dollar disagreement on fence funding, after Republicans spent two years not funding the wall. It's insane.

And just from a strategic perspective, Democrats can't fold on this issue. You don't give in to a child because he has a temper tantrum.
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Jan 24 2019 11:29am
Quote (majorblood @ Jan 24 2019 09:53am)
do you support improved border security?


A lot of people are pretty close on this

People in general dont oppose border security, walls/fences/barriers where it makes sense. More guards and technology where it makes sense. Working on the actual issues of immigration

Trump separated himself and his supporters completely in both rhetoric and action. He made it the great trump wall. It's the trump shutdown. Selling it in a dirty divisive way that makes nobody want to work with him because he and his wall are toxic as shit.

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why is great in quotation marks


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The closest he will get to ever showing a sign of self awareness is accidently shitting on himself


:rofl:
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Jan 24 2019 01:15pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/24/elizabeth-warren-propose-new-wealth-tax-very-rich-americans-economist-says/?noredirect=on&noredirect%3Don%26utm_term%3D.454f9f7255d1&utm_term=.5b5868c04ab8

Elizabeth Warren has rolled out an unironic Wealth Tax proposal.

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Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman, two left-leaning economists at the University of California, Berkeley, have been advising Warren on a proposal to levy a 2 percent wealth tax on Americans with assets above $50 million, as well as a 3 percent wealth tax on those who have more than $1 billion, according to Saez.
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Warren’s proposal includes at least three new mechanisms to combat tax evasion, according to a person familiar with the plan. Those are a significant increase in funding for the Internal Revenue Service; a mandatory audit rate requiring a certain number of people who pay the wealth tax to be subject to an audit every year; and a one-time tax penalty for those who have more than $50 million and try to renounce their U.S. citizenship.
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Saez and Zucman initially evaluated a proposal at Warren’s request to levy a 1 percent wealth tax on income above $10 million, rather than a 2 percent wealth tax above $50 million, according to a Jan. 14 letter the economists sent to Warren. That letter was obtained by The Washington Post.


So lets say I'm a billionaire. I see Chief Warren get elected in her 2020 Pow-Wow and the democrats gets a supermajority and pass this law, with wealth taxation going to start in April 2021.
Why would I remain a US citizen and be subject to both wealth taxes as long as I'm a citizen and wealth tax escape penalties if I try to run, when I can just move my wealth out of the country before the law comes into effect.
Something they cannot punish me for, because they can't pass ex post facto laws.

So suddenly about 95-100% of people who have $50 million in assets simply leave America and join any other country in the world that has no wealth tax, keeping their assets intact.
No need for fancy tax inversions to northern ireland required. Just keep the assets the fuck out of America entirely.
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