they use it on everything lol

you do know trump built his legacy as a scammer and conman who often didn't pay the people he hired to work for him? oddly enough this was considered one of his charming traits but that doesn't detract from the fact that this is one the most dishonest people to ever enter politics and that's just from what we know about him

the rest of the people on your list don't get anywhere near this guy

He is hiding his taxes for a reason.

But isnt the liberal narrative that Obama was the smartest, most qualified person (before Hillary came along) to ever hold the office? Shouldnt he have known that the ACA would have massive adverse effects on those people for which the previous healthcare system was working just fine?

Well, ok, I'll admit that you have somewhat of a point, it was not a provably ill-intended lie.

Anyway, my list contains 6 more presidents who came before Trump and were telling blatant and consequential lies.




can you name me a blatant and consequential lie that Trump the politician has told?

and concerning Trump's past: can you name me a single real estate mogul who didnt use highly dirty tactics? it's simply an incredibly cutthroat and shady business full of scumbags, one in which you cannot succeed without being a scumbag yourself.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 10 2019 10:34am

Ah yes

that low bar that the Fox News crew loves to use as a shield

it's not like he has a history of doing it or anything

What's the reason for TRAIL Fox News and Trump fanatics? Let's solve this mystery together


/// btw I thought Trump was the smartest guy and went to the best schools and all that?

This post was edited by Beowulf on Feb 10 2019 10:32am

I really don't know how anyone reasonable can believe this. It's just factually untrue.

I mean sure, you can argue that none of Trump's lies have been as harmful as Bush's supposed lying about WMD's, or other lies from previous presidents, but that doesn't mean he doesn't lie far more than any previous president. He does... it's not even debatable.

People who followed Trump before 2015 know this... he's a pathological liar... it's his natural instinct to lie. It's also unique that his lying doesn't really create political consequences.

This post was edited by IceMage on Feb 10 2019 11:08am

the vast majority of Trump's admittedly numerous lies are inconsequential white lies or exaggerations which he uses to brag about his achievements ("my meeting with Kim Jon Un solved the North Korean crisis") or to rile up his base ("I am the smartest, greatest, greatererest president in history", "xyz is gonna be yuge, believe me").
that he's spurting out such lies is clearly due to his lack of polish, to his lack of the average politician's lifetime under public scrutiny.

same question to you that I already asked others: can you name me a blatant and substantively consequential lie that Trump has told?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 10 2019 11:15am

I don't think a president's lying is ever inconsequential. When you hold a position of authority, you should do your best to be truthful. I also reject the idea that a person has to be polished to avoid lying multiple times a day. Do you lie multiple times a day? I sure don't... and I look down on anyone who does. It's a serious personality flaw.

The North Korea lie is a great example. Proclaiming "there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea" signals to Americans and the world that it's not something we need to worry about anymore. It's alleviating pressure when we should be applying pressure. And if the rebuttal to that is "well, nobody takes seriously what the president said", I think that speaks for itself. Shouldn't people take a president's words seriously?

That's one of the biggest consequences of Trump lying all the time... it's hard for Americans and foreigners to know when to take him seriously. So while Obama incorrectly stated that Americans would be able to keep their health insurance plans... at least Americans in general took his statements seriously.

lying about trade relations with canada and disrupting business on both sides of the border by going after nafta
saying he's going to drain the swamp and followed by filling it with an unprecedented amount of corrupt filth
saying mexico is going to pay for the wall followed by trying to extort the funds from americans, shutting down the govt and causing a lot of unnecessary hardship for govt employees
blaming puerto rico for the problems from the hurricane while going out of his way to try and obstruct relief efforts
lies about the credbility of news organizations and vilifying them furthering the decline of intellectual political discourse and fostering violent hostility towards the media
claiming to be tough on russia while working hard to lift sactions and help russian oligarchs
there's probably more but this is all that comes to mind atm

as for shady real estate guys, yea there's a lot of them but it'd be quite difficult to find one that american banks won't give a loan to anymore