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Where was the "lol"?
I see no sign that she was laughing.
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Mar 30 2020 04:22am
Head of our national ICU coordination has said 80% of current Dutch ICU patients are overweight. This of a populace that is 40-50% overweight. Pretty severe risk factor.
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Head of our national ICU coordination has said 80% of current Dutch ICU patients are overweight. This of a populace that is 40-50% overweight. Pretty severe risk factor.


*looks at US and UK*

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Well, in effect it IS like a fixed amount. This CV 19 is gonna peak and after it does, it would be most desirable to NOT end up with 2.5 million vents and tests... sitting around.

As usual, no matter what Trump "says" on Twitter, I would imagine the US govt. will, as usual, do the best it can, without getting too panic-y. It would be kind of foolish to crank out 5 million test kits, only to find out that we would end up needing something else manufactured to offer continued care for those that recovered. Both manufacturing and "adding" money to the system, have limits. Probably best NOT to use up all the US resources in the beginning, and then find out we need something else for continued care.


Why? Now that this virus is worldwide, it's highly likely to make a resurgence year after year, and we're going to need the extra capacity each flu season.

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As far as I know it hasn't mutated yet. Hopefully it never will.


It's already mutated into four strains. Follow Francois Balloux on Twitter. He runs the UCI Genetics Institute in London: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/biosciences/departments/genetics-evolution-and-environment/research/ucl-genetics-institute

/e sorry, now it's 8 strains: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/27/scientists-track-coronavirus-strains-mutation/5080571002/

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Why? Now that this virus is worldwide, it's highly likely to make a resurgence year after year, and we're going to need the extra capacity each flu season.


There will be vaccines and treatment options eventually, so that the virus loses almost all of its threat potential. If there is an effective drug you can give people that prevents most severe cases from needing hospitalization, the healthcare system is no longer under threat of being overrun. If a vaccine already exists, it will be a ton easier and quicker to come up with a new vaccine against seasonal mutations of the virus. And the herd immunity to the older strains of the virus will help to keep the spread of new, seasonal variations less explosive than what we're seeing right now.

We have to get through the coming months and potentially a 2nd wave in fall/winter, but after that, mankind will get this thing under control. Starting about twelve months from now, large-scale shutdowns and such wont be necessary anymore.

The big issue is the 6-12 month gap we're having, where we have to deal with a highly infectous disease that's spreading like wildfire and no effective treatment available. We cant return to normal during those 6-12 months, but we also cant shut down public life like we're currently doing for this whole time period, that would be economical suicide. That's why the world is going for this murky, mixed response with a relatively drastic shutdown in the short run, and extensive testing while gradually reopening the economy and the public in the intermediate future.


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There will be vaccines and treatment options eventually, so that the virus loses almost all of its threat potential. If there is an effective drug you can give people that prevents most severe cases from needing hospitalization, the healthcare system is no longer under threat of being overrun. If a vaccine already exists, it will be a ton easier and quicker to come up with a new vaccine against seasonal mutations of the virus. And the herd immunity to the older strains of the virus will help to keep the spread of new, seasonal variations less explosive than what we're seeing right now.

We have to get through the coming months and potentially a 2nd wave in fall/winter, but after that, mankind will get this thing under control. Starting about twelve months from now, large-scale shutdowns and such wont be necessary anymore.

The big issue is the 6-12 month gap we're having, where we have to deal with a highly infectous disease that's spreading like wildfire and no effective treatment available. We cant return to normal during those 6-12 months, but we also cant shut down public life like we're currently doing for this whole time period, that would be economical suicide. That's why the world is going for this murky, mixed response with a relatively drastic shutdown in the short run, and extensive testing while gradually reopening the economy and the public in the intermediate future.


I agree with most of this, except the "it loses almost all of its threat potential." When isolation measures and eventually a vaccine take hold, we put the virus under a heavy evolutionary pressure to find a new way to replicate/spread/stay alive.
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Mar 30 2020 06:11am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 30 2020 07:36am)
There will be vaccines and treatment options eventually, so that the virus loses almost all of its threat potential. If there is an effective drug you can give people that prevents most severe cases from needing hospitalization, the healthcare system is no longer under threat of being overrun. If a vaccine already exists, it will be a ton easier and quicker to come up with a new vaccine against seasonal mutations of the virus. And the herd immunity to the older strains of the virus will help to keep the spread of new, seasonal variations less explosive than what we're seeing right now.

We have to get through the coming months and potentially a 2nd wave in fall/winter, but after that, mankind will get this thing under control. Starting about twelve months from now, large-scale shutdowns and such wont be necessary anymore.

The big issue is the 6-12 month gap we're having, where we have to deal with a highly infectous disease that's spreading like wildfire and no effective treatment available. We cant return to normal during those 6-12 months, but we also cant shut down public life like we're currently doing for this whole time period, that would be economical suicide. That's why the world is going for this murky, mixed response with a relatively drastic shutdown in the short run, and extensive testing while gradually reopening the economy and the public in the intermediate future.


So much faith.
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Mar 30 2020 06:14am
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So much faith.


What's your prediction, lol?
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