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I do think however that Western values are probably the ones that best ensure the well-being of individuals. We wouldn't want to see them replaced by other cultures that give a lot less importance to human rights. What the pic shows is a valid concern, but too many fail to continue this line of thought without resorting to the same primal modes of action they so eagerly oppose.

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I do think however that Western values are probably the ones that best ensure the well-being of individuals. We wouldn't want to see them replaced by other cultures that give a lot less importance to human rights. What the pic shows is a valid concern, but too many fail to continue this line of thought without resorting to the same primal modes of action they so eagerly oppose.



don't you just understand irony?

Where would we be if our culture wasn't constantly adapting? still in it's witch burning stages of old Salem?

Don't you think that Western society has enough strength and resiliency to handle a little Middle Eastern flavoring too? Some Ka-bob and curry along with pizza and tacos, and smoked herring. Jesus, you'd think we were giving the keys to the good car to the refugees or something.
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don't you just understand irony?

Where would we be if our culture wasn't constantly adapting? still in it's witch burning stages of old Salem?

Don't you think that Western society has enough strength and resiliency to handle a little Middle Eastern flavoring too? Some Ka-bob and curry along with pizza and tacos, and smoked herring. Jesus, you'd think we were giving the keys to the good car to the refugees or something.


Kebab, curry and tacos have nothing to do with human rights. Those are harmless goodies we get from different cultures and i don't mind having that kind of diversity at all. What concerns me are cultural values that are against human rights, such as misogyny, homophobia and the likes. Even when i identify myself as a liberal, i'm legitimately concerned about the cultural issues that might ensue. People are unfortunately prisoners of their own cultures, and i have no difficulty of imagining Western values being viewed as decadent by some.

Yes i understand irony about the Native American, but you forget to mention the savagery that Mayans or Aztecs took part in for example. Not that the conquistadors were that much better, but modern day Europe is quite far from that. In some parts of the world people still burn witches and that's exactly the undesirable sort of values.

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Kebab, curry and tacos have nothing to do with human rights. Those are harmless goodies we get from different cultures and i don't mind having that kind of diversity at all. What concerns me are cultural values that are against human rights, such as misogyny, homophobia and the likes. Even when i identify myself as a liberal, i'm legitimately concerned about the cultural issues that might ensue. People are unfortunately prisoners of their own cultures, and i have no difficulty of imagining Western values being viewed as decadent by some.

Yes i understand irony about the Native American, but you forget to mention the savagery that Mayans or Aztecs took part in for example. Not that the conquistadors were that much better, but modern day Europe is quite far from that. In some parts of the world people still burn witches and that's exactly the undesirable sort of values.



I don't understand why you think that giving shelter and food to these refugees is such a threat to our culture and the values we hold dear? I'm much more concerned about the string of republican candidates that are running for president and the policies that they endorse simply because they could have the house and senate and then have some real power. As far as human rights go allowing some refugee Muslims to enter our country especially in such a minor amount won't affect our outlook. If anything the US may be a culture shock for them, but it seems like the children of most of the families who relocate here thrive in our atmosphere.

The irony that you miss is that the white citizens of the US are the ones who are worrying about letting some brown immigrants come in and create different cultures. When it's the white immigrants who invaded the native Americans lands and murdered most of them, then raped their lands.
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