Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 17 2022 03:10pm)

Here's a timeline of events in Ukraine for all you morons that think you know what is propaganda and what isn't:

Early 2014 - A bloody and violent coup happens in which several hundred people are killed in Maidan square resulting in the installation of a new government that aligns itself with the US and against Russia. The coup has blatant involvement from the US, John McCain and Victoria Nuland assist and encourage the "protestors" on the ground in Kiev - making it one of the most blatant US-backed regime change operations in history.

May 2014 - Tensions inside of Ukraine escalate, Eastern Ukraine breaks off from the country due to extreme anti-Russian sentiment coming from Kiev and murders of pro-Russian civilians carried out by fascist gangs, including the Odessa massacre where fascists burned 40 people alive in the same city where some 30,000 jews were murdered in 1941.

Summer 2014 - The illegitimate coup government in Ukraine declares their infamous "anti-terrorist operation" and launches a military offensive against the breakaway regions, with military advisors from the US and NATO assisting them. They begin to massacre civilians, in some cases entire villages of people are wiped out by artillery and airstrikes while mechanized units of Ukrainian troops advance all over the frontline. Things don't look good for Donbass at this time.

The Ukrainian government is the first to initiate open hostilities and begin massacring civilians with overwhelming military force.
The Ukrainian army achieves some limited success in the first months and captures Slavyansk, Mariupol and some other areas.

Fall 2014 - the volunteer militias in Donbass regroup, re-organize and mount a counter-offensive using Soviet-era weapons and some captured tanks and artillery pieces. They manage to get some anti-aircraft MANPADS and completely eliminate the threat from Ukraine's air-force. They receive only limited assistance from Russia at this time, mostly in the form of supplies and humanitarian aid.

Early-mid 2015 - DPR/LPR are successful in their counter-offensives, retake a bunch of lost territory and wipe out thousands of Ukrainian troops all over the contact line, whom are now encircled and have been abandoned by the Ukrainian high command as they are wiped out by non-stop artillery barrages. DPR/LPR manage to capture hundreds of battle tanks and artillery pieces from these battles, greatly adding to their military strength. Hundreds more Ukrainian soldiers die trying to break out from encirclement.

Fall 2015 - Ukraine's government panics and sues for peace. Their army has been utterly defeated and is retreating - they have been badly battered and have suffered major losses. 90% of their military equipment has been destroyed or captured. All of their best fighting units have been killed, wounded or captured. They are on their last legs, realizing they lost the war and need to turn to diplomatic means to stop DPR and LPR's offensive from taking more territory. Russia immediately intervenes and brokers the Minsk agreements at this time.

Ukraine unconditionally agrees to the terms of the Minsk agreement, which stop the DPR/LPR offensive in its tracks. As part of the terms, Ukraine is supposed to withdraw all military forces from the contact line and negotiate with the breakaway region of Donbass.

Instead of doing that, they use the break from fighting to re-arm, recruit, take out some IMF loans to replace all the military gear they lost, and within 6 months resume shelling on Donbass, killing civilians whenever they please. DPR/LPR respond only with counter-battery artillery fire.

Fact is, Ukraine was the first to initiate military hostilities - thinking they could easily win the war, killing thousands of civilians in the process. When that failed, they sued for peace. And now it is the Ukrainian army that is once again breaking the Minsk agreements - Which they signed - and is destroying peace once again, now that they've re-equipped their military, they once again return to the military option.

And this is framed as Russian aggression??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - oh, how stupid people truly are to believe it.

I don't even know what to say about fascist Ukraine - they kill thousands, lose a war, lose tens of thousands of soldiers for NOTHING in a war THEY started, become puppets for US imperialism, and now they want to start another war - all while blaming Russia for their OWN massive failures the whole time.

To call them "pathetic" would be an understatement. They are mass murdering criminals and if Russia fucks them up, they will deserve it.

Quote (Santara @ Feb 17 2022 02:23pm)

Russian warmongering good, American warmongering bad. Got it, comrade.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 17 2022 01:31pm)

Right, my bad - I forgot that for people who live in East Ukraine, they don't have the right to defend themselves and should have just let the Ukrainian army burst into their homes, murder their families and rape their wives in-front of them.

They should have accepted fascism in Ukraine!

How DARE they stand up for themselves!

The audacity is mind-blowing.

Quote (Sioux @ Feb 17 2022 11:52am)

Is it US forces amassing at the border or Russian. I'm confused.

Quote (Santara @ Feb 17 2022 12:18pm)

It's one thing to be an American and oppose American interventionism - like me, and another thing to actively promote the Kremlin's propaganda - like you.

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Dear friends,

The civilians of the LDNR are being evacuated from the towns near the LOC (line of contact).

The Ukies are bombing the LDNR with artillery and mortar fire along the full LOC.

The city of Gorlovka has lost power. The city is under tank fire. The only road between Donetsk and Gorlovka is under Ukronazi fire.

The cities of Dokuchaevsk, Staromikhailovka and Belaia Kamenka are under mortar attack.

It appears that the Ukronazis want to cut through the defenses between Lugansk and Donetsk.

That’s what I just caught myself.

Now I am, once again, creating an OPEN THREAD to share information about what is taking place. Please try to stick to factual information and not post your opinions.

I will be back later once the picture becomes a little clearer.

Andrei

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 18 2022 01:10pm)

Welp, Ukraine has decided to commit suicide after-all:

http://thesaker.is/the-ukronazis-are-on-the-offensive-open-thread/




So now Biden's plan has become clear. Order Ukraine to attack, force Russia's hand and force a Russian military intervention whether they wanted to be involved or not.

As soon as Russia intervenes and puts a stop to the ongoing genocide of Donbass, they will scream bloody murder, and the media will go full-on attack mode against Russia, screaming to the high heavens about a new holocaust in Ukraine caused by the evil Moskals.

Biden then rams through his sanctions package and Nordstream 2 is canceled - if Germany plays along, which they probably will.

Sigh... I was hoping the Ukrainians still had a shred of dignity between them. Apparently not. To be expected from a bunch of fascists.

Whatever - they will reap the greatest consequences out of everyone here. Not only will their army fail to conquer Donbass, most of them will be killed and it remains to be seen whether or not Russia will directly target the "Ukrainian statehood" in response.

When the Russian response comes, it will be sudden, without warning and they will hit hard - the Ukrainian army will evaporate within 48-72 hours. Then they will act shocked as if they can't believe the obvious outcome happened. Then they will play the victims.

In the end Ze and all his dumbass pals, if they aren't blown to pieces will be exiled or will be reduced to ruling over a small slice of Western Ukraine - the Ukrainian army will cease to exist entirely.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 18 2022 01:01pm)

Yes, this makes perfect sense.

Ukraine waited until 200,000 Russians were set and ready on the border, and waited for assurances from the West that they would not assist military, before deciding to make a sudden offensive against the separatist regions.

Let's be honest about Putin's motivations here. The vast majority of Ukrainians (70%+ in recent polling) want to move towards the EU, the numbers are even higher among the younger generations, including in the South and East. Ukraine is fully ready to leave Russia's orbit. It would be disastrous for Putin, as there would no longer be any buffer between his economic incompetence and the prosperity of the West. Poland has been bad enough, an increasingly wealthy Ukraine would serially undermine the legitimacy of a man who has watched as Russia's standard of living has collapse 40% of the last 9 years.