I'm not fooled often, because I am constantly vigilant and actively questioning my own beliefs. I update with the evidence as it is presented. If something even looks like propaganda I will actively search for corroborating evidence. Hell, sometimes I'll even actively search out right wing posters and bring it up to them since I know they're the ones that will be the most giddy to present opposing evidence.

Grab your muck boots, it's getting deep.

I usually bring gloves for when I'm gonna get covered in shit.

but yer mums kind of a freak so boots would probably help too.

I don't care what you say about my "mum" but this is exactly the level of trash I expect from you every time you post.

I need to talk to God about putting some of this charisma into constitution. The constant clawing for my attention is getting annoying.

You need to talk to God alright....



Maybe ask for some forgiveness.

Doing a basic google search to ensure that you get your facts right is not the same as questioning and second-guessing the ideological premises and worldview of yourself or the sources you read. Your belief and trust in the "liberal consensus" seem unshakable. Or, to be a little more precise: you seem to believe that the liberal consensus represents a righthand boundary for what "the truth" can possibly be.

Ideology isn't true or false. It is how you interpret the world. Its the base level that is informed by your values. It is assumed.

I value consistency and the scientific method, so im not going to be anywhere near the ideology of the party that rejects basic scientific facts, like global warming, evolution, and the results of the election.

I also don't value hierarchy, so not going to be right in general

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jun 30 2021 03:01pm

Straight from the wikiepedia entry on "ideology":


So while it is correct that ideologies are not necessarily right or wrong, this does not mean that all ideologies are made equal. Both the key assumptions of an ideology about the way the world works and the key conclusions the ideology draws about social truth can be confirmed or falsified (to some extent) via real world observation.

Generally speaking, ideologies which posit a supremacy of race or ethnicity in explaining how the world works have a bad track record (e.g. racism, national chauvinism), as do those striving for an utopian society which hinges on norms and behavior that goes against human nature (e.g. communism, radical pacifism).

If ideologies include fact-based claims then double checking my facts are right definitely does count.

Since you said specifically before that double checking my facts isn't the same as questioning my ideology I assumed we were specifically talking about the parts of ideology that aren't contingent on facts.

Still, I'd say virtually all ideologies, even those of superiority, aren't fact based. When people say X group is superior to Y, they usually aren't basing it on facts. Like, they might cite facts, but it's obvious if you've ever talked to somebody actually espousing these ideologies that they are using those "facts" to justify their worldview, not as the basis for informing it. The statement "whites are superior to blacks" isn't something that can be measured because it doesn't set a metric. Even if we point out that MLK was a great and smart human, that doesn't matter because they have defined blackness as inferior. That's my opinion anyway.