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May 12 2020 06:47am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 12 2020 08:40am)
Its all a red herring argument. Travis McMichael didn't point his shotgun at Arbery, as is evidenced by the fact the first shot went through Arbery's palm that was grabbing the barrel and hit the ground- not Arbery's body.



I wonder how many times I can say "self-defense is not a punishment"


That isn't evidence of that. You grab something and it moves. You can't grab a gun that isn't pointed at you from point blank range.

It might prove it to be a manslaughter situation rather than murder. Maybe he can convince a jury he was benignly brandishing a weapon at another man. I would be horrified if i seen that in my neighborhood, and my neighborhood is where something like this might happen.

At least there will be an investigation.

I've called for arrest for an obvious crime and a competent investigstion not corrupted by the good old boy network. Originally that was not happening whatsoever. That injustice has come to light and arrests have been made and an investigation and trial will occur, and it is in public enough any corruption will be magnified x10.

Aside from a murder not happening, this is now how it should be going, outcome nonwithstanding.

I don't think I was ever the unreasonable one here. What is inreasonable is no arrest and no investigation when you have a video, murder weapon, a motive, a body, etc, Georgia vigilante justice.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 12 2020 06:50am
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May 12 2020 06:52am
When do we grab our guns and start citizens arresting banking ceo's?
One bank here was found to have committed one million money laundering offences, this guy tried to find something to steal in an empty building.
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May 12 2020 07:07am
Quote (Plaguefear @ May 12 2020 08:52am)
When do we grab our guns and start citizens arresting banking ceo's?
One bank here was found to have committed one million money laundering offences, this guy tried to find something to steal in an empty building.


Guy was looking at an empty building. Haven't you ever done that? Maybe I'm just a curious person. I've walked around skeltons of construction buildings a lot too.

Houses and buildings are amazing. So many systems...plumbing, electrical, drainage, i have a sump pump and a bomb shelter in mine lol.

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May 12 2020 07:08am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 12 2020 07:40am)
Its all a red herring argument. Travis McMichael didn't point his shotgun at Arbery, as is evidenced by the fact the first shot went through Arbery's palm that was grabbing the barrel and hit the ground- not Arbery's body.



I wonder how many times I can say "self-defense is not a punishment"


"they only APPROACHED him with guns, not pointed guns at him"

honestly thats a shit argument. anyone who plays vigilante and approaches someone with guns deserves to rot in jail if the person ends up dead.

"but the law says...." is another shit argument. they took the law into their own hands and a man is dead because of an alleged burglary. rent a cops with a hero complex, hopefully they get a good dose of shower rape to show the rest of the people like this in our country this isnt proper behavior. i want satellite interviews with them from prison post rape with a play by play just to try and dissuade this behavior.
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Quote (Skinned @ May 12 2020 11:07pm)
Guy was looking at an empty building. Haven't you ever done that? Maybe I'm just a curious person. I've walked around skeltons of construction buildings a lot too.


I have too but i never ran out through the front door of one at full sprint.
I also broke into abandoned houses that had a reputation as haunted, made for fun nights drinking with friends.
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May 12 2020 10:35am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 12 2020 05:40am)
Its all a red herring argument. Travis McMichael didn't point his shotgun at Arbery, as is evidenced by the fact the first shot went through Arbery's palm that was grabbing the barrel and hit the ground- not Arbery's body.



I wonder how many times I can say "self-defense is not a punishment"



He was executed while trying to defend himself from assault and murder by racists. If the only way to stay alive is to get the gun out of the white racist piece of shit’s hands, that’s what you go for first.

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May 12 2020 11:05am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 12 2020 07:40am)
Its all a red herring argument. Travis McMichael didn't point his shotgun at Arbery, as is evidenced by the fact the first shot went through Arbery's palm that was grabbing the barrel and hit the ground- not Arbery's body.



I wonder how many times I can say "self-defense is not a punishment"


McMichael's were brandishing their fire arms regardless of it it was pointed directly at Arbery. There is a huge difference between open carry and brandishing weapons in public.

Perhaps Arbery felt threatened and chose to defend himself per Georgia's 'stand your ground' state law? Wish I knew more about what happened in the moments before the shooting vid, might explain the fight vs flight behavior from Arbery. It is not unreasonable to think McMichael's were going to kill when they were stopped on the road, brandishing firearms.

Edit: Prosecutor will probably push: there is really no evidence of a crime committed, so the McMichaels were not justified in trying to make a citizens arrest. Therefore, when they intercepted Arbery, they committed a crime Assault. Since that lead to Arbery's death, its felony murder.

McMichaels really f'd up IMO, we'll see how legal system works though...

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on May 12 2020 11:12am
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May 12 2020 11:40am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 12 2020 09:08am)
"they only APPROACHED him with guns, not pointed guns at him"

honestly thats a shit argument. anyone who plays vigilante and approaches someone with guns deserves to rot in jail if the person ends up dead.

"but the law says...." is another shit argument. they took the law into their own hands and a man is dead because of an alleged burglary. rent a cops with a hero complex, hopefully they get a good dose of shower rape to show the rest of the people like this in our country this isnt proper behavior. i want satellite interviews with them from prison post rape with a play by play just to try and dissuade this behavior.


Ignoring laws is not how the world works. The legal system works with facts not emotions.

You call the victim an alleged burglar while wishing rape on these two alleged criminals. You are just as sick and twisted as the alleged murderers. Maybe even more so since we don't even know what actually happened with them and you are wishing something this heinous to happen.
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May 12 2020 11:43am
Quote (inkanddagger @ May 12 2020 10:35am)
He was executed while trying to defend himself from assault and murder by racists. If the only way to stay alive is to get the gun out of the white racist piece of shit’s hands, that’s what you go for first.


Goom doesn't understand how laws work. He/She also doesn't understand what self defense means either.
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May 12 2020 11:44am
Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 12 2020 11:40am)
Ignoring laws is not how the world works. The legal system works with facts not emotions.

You call the victim an alleged burglar while wishing rape on these two alleged criminals. You are just as sick and twisted as the alleged murderers. Maybe even more so since we don't even know what actually happened with them and you are wishing something this heinous to happen.


We have read the statements, we have watched the video. Its pretty clear.
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