You were responding to me though. So maybe Thor was just referring to him and myself as those who have taken a realistic position on Trump since day 1.

You've never been right in your tin foil conspiracies against Trump.

Tin Foil Hat has pretty good stats IMO

Are we really going to pretend the multi year Russian collusion hoax didn't happen?

Considering the only reason they didn't collude was gross incompetence, and there actually were meetings and information that suggested the possibility of collusion that Trump constantly said didn't happen....... yeah.

It wasn't a hoax, it was a reasonable suspicion that got investigated.

You can tell ALL of these asshats are full cult stricken. If any other president had private citizens making governments policy acting on our behalf. Had over 20 indictments over 15k noted lies. Can barely speak the English language. Not met any of his campaign promises. Their pitchforks would be out. Instead farther into the “deep state” lunacy they all go. Comparing trump to being Christian. Looooooooool

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Jan 25 2020 11:03am

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Jan 25 2020 11:02am

There's a pretty absurd back and forth about the javelins going on with the narratives and media coverage right now

democrats argue that Trump was holding aid that was necessary to protect Ukraine from Russia and that without the aid they'd be destroyed because they were so vulnerable.
republicans counter that lethal aid like javelins was not held, and question why the Democrats failed to mention this- the aid package being held up was the non-lethal one
democrats counter that the lethal aid was conditioned on ukraine being unable to use it against Russia in Crimea during the cold conflict
then goomshill, being a logical person, points out that restrictions on Ukraine being able to use javelins only matter in a scenario where Russia isn't destroying Ukraine, and serve as a protection against the threat of further invasion, which of course was the entire fucking point of sending them in the first place: We didn't want to escalate along the crimean conflict flashpoint but wanted to give Ukraine security against any further Russian aggression.

then republicans counter that Trump was providing lethal aid to Ukraine where Obama refused to do so
and democrats counter that it was really congress who voted for lethal aid and not Trump's decision
and then goomshill points out that congress authorized lethal aid in 2014 and it was permanently held up by Obama, the authorization was already there for 5 years, it was fully Trump's decision to send it.

I think we're all going to need a citation.

Michael Kohen attempted to get in contact with Putin throughout the campaign attempting to solicit business favors to build a tower in Moscow at the direction of Trump, but emailed the wrong person.
Dmitry Klokov offered assistance to Trump's campaign, but Michael Kohen again thought it was a Russian bodybuilder, not an agent for the Russian government, and so dismissed the email. Mueller said in his report he still believed he was talking to a bodybuilder.
Additionally the report highlighted ten people who refused to carry out orders specifically to work with Russia, or to stymie the investigation into his dealings with Russia. In one case he ordered somebody else to tell Sessions to cut the scope of the Russia investigation and that was ignored.


Honestly the Mueller report paints a pretty unambiguous picture of Trump wanting to work with Russia and wanting to obstruct the investigation, but being too incompetent to make sure any of it actually got done.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 25 2020 11:26am