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dems: "listen, we should definitely secure our elections. even republican lead intelligence committees admitted that russians attacked every single state, successfully infiltrated several to a point where they gained access to sensible voter registration data. particularly states that have voting machines not producing paper ballots are vulnerable to their cyber attacks. this is a bill pushing for and funding these changes."

mitch: "not gonna happen, that'll help democrats."

interested observer: "how can anyone defend that? especially coming from the party that loves to portray itself as patriotic. unbelievable."

trumptards: "this is totally fine, there might be some money over from the entirely insufficient funding from last year. sure, some red states outright refuse to secure their systems, and the money wouldn't be enough anyway, but hey, the russians technically didn't switch any votes, and some people claimed things are being done. everyone criticising inaction and opposition to foreign interference just has TDS - haha, i am very intelligent."

Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 29 2019 08:53am)

The Democratic party just spent 2 years investigating a sitting president for something we all now acknowledge never happened.

I think there's a heavy reluctance to give the Democrats anything that they might use to try and salvage the situation. When your enemy is drowning, why save him?

Quote (IceMage @ 29 Jul 2019 14:59)

Lawl.

Bob Mueller, a lifelong Republican, who was appointed by Rod Rosenstein, a lifelong Republican and Trump's appointee, investigated the president and cleared him and his campaign of conspiring with the Russians.

Republicans were in charge of the Congressional Russia investigations for two years. They also cleared the president and his campaign of conspiring with the Russians.

Inconveniencing the president doesn't automatically make you a Democrat.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 29 2019 09:17am)

The majority of Mueller's team were Democrats iirc, and his pathetic, confused and stumbling performance during the Congressional hearings suggests that he was less involved in writing the report than many had assumed.
Furthermore, it really is no secret that there are multiply, warring factions within the Republican party. Rosenstein and Mueller clearly belong to the "establishment/deep state wing" of the GOP which did very well have an incentive to slow down or even take down the President from the party's "populist wing".

Saying "Mueller and Rosenstein were Republicans, therefore, they cant have had bias or hostile intentions towards Trump" is completely naive.

Quote (IceMage @ Jul 29 2019 08:59am)

Lawl.

Bob Mueller, a lifelong Republican, who was appointed by Rod Rosenstein, a lifelong Republican and Trump's appointee, investigated the president and cleared him and his campaign of conspiring with the Russians.

Republicans were in charge of the Congressional Russia investigations for two years. They also cleared the president and his campaign of conspiring with the Russians.

Inconveniencing the president doesn't automatically make you a Democrat.

Quote (IceMage @ 29 Jul 2019 15:55)

First off, I reject the premise. Political leanings don't automatically mean a person will act unethically.

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Second, you can't just pretend that anyone who inconveniences the president is either a Democrat or an "establishment/deep state" Republican(whatever the hell that even means). Trump has a 90% approval rating among Republicans. The only reason you believe Mueller and Rosenstein aren't Trump Republicans is because they were placed in positions of authority, and were tasked with upholding the rule of law. Because they did their jobs in an ethical way, we're supposed to think they are somehow against the president?

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Did you watch his testimony?

Bob is senile, I'm not sure it's fair to say he investigated anything. His aides sure did.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 29 2019 09:11am)

Of course political leanings dont automatically mean a person will act unethically. But political leanings increase the likelihood of their judgement getting corrupted by personal bias.




I never said that Mueller or Rosenstein did act in a biased or unethical fashion. I just pointed out that there are plausible reasons for them to have acted this way despite being Republicans, implying that your "but they are Republicans, therefore they cant be biased or hostile against Trump" argument is not convincing. Considering the very different factions of the GOP that they belong to, the fact that Mueller and Rosenstein are Republicans like Trump doesnt really prove anything or lend them extra credibility.

I actually agree with your sentiment that inconveniencing the president doesnt make them Democrats. I just strongly disagree with your notion that being from the same party implies impartiality.